HOT TOPIC: God's Nature vs His Character

michael_legna's picture

In another thread we veered off ending up discussing the Nature of God esepcially His omniscience and omnipotence.

I hold that God is ALL powerful and ALL knowing and He just chooses not to do somethings and to not know certain things when it suits His plans.

The other side of the argument is that there are certain things God cannot do, like sin. That it is not just Him choosing to not sin but that He is completely incapable of sin, that it is an actual limit to His omnipotence and omniscience.

This thread is meant to give all an opportunity to present arguments for either side.

I will begin by posting a few responses to the last few posts of one other poster in the previous thread.

michael_legna's picture

Mysteries are often difficult even to express properly

DanFugett said -
As a poster I am curious, Michael, what "seeds of doubt" you see in our Lord's agony in the garden?

I see not so much seed of doubt, but rather fear of the pain and suffering and of course the fear of death all men experience. That is what tempted Christ to consider asking the Father to remove the cup of sacrifice from Him, though in the end he did not actualy ask but prayed that the Father's will be done, not His. It is also expressed (though indirectly) in Jesus' rebuke of Peter when Peter suggest that it not be so, and Christ referred to him as Satan since it is Satan who is the tempter.

DanFugett said -
Do you see a humanity that was capable of failing or falling?

I do see one that could have failed, as in it was not impossible due to His nature (otherwise His nature would not have been to be both fully God and fully man) but it was not one which would fail because He was the Son of God and so had a will that would not succumb to temptation. His was the counter example to Adam.

DanFugett said -
Do you see a man that was really tempted after His fast, or Christ did not suffer in all points like us?

He was tempted, truly tempted but did not succumb to that temptation.

DanFugett said -
"Why have you forsaken me?" But God cannot forsake God so unless one accepts a kenotic vs hypostatic view of the person of Christ, then God could not really ever forsake Christ even though the man felt forsaken. This could drive a person crazy if you go too deep in this mystery. I have to give you two credit for this discussion. It is one of those topics ML actually recommends staying away from. Ummm ML is not Michael Legna in this case by the way but you can guess who I mean. My mind cant get fully around a Person who walked about 30 years on this earth, and is as fully man as I am (hungry, tired, tempted, died) but by definition this same Person is my God and therefore carries all the Divine/moral attributes of God.

Catholics too know the dangers of probing too deeply into the mystery of the Trinity and Incarnation. I have had several Priest's who have gone through seminary say that basically anyone who speaks over three minutes on the Trinity has probably made a mistake somewhere.