HOT TOPIC: God's Nature vs His Character

michael_legna's picture

In another thread we veered off ending up discussing the Nature of God esepcially His omniscience and omnipotence.

I hold that God is ALL powerful and ALL knowing and He just chooses not to do somethings and to not know certain things when it suits His plans.

The other side of the argument is that there are certain things God cannot do, like sin. That it is not just Him choosing to not sin but that He is completely incapable of sin, that it is an actual limit to His omnipotence and omniscience.

This thread is meant to give all an opportunity to present arguments for either side.

I will begin by posting a few responses to the last few posts of one other poster in the previous thread.

JeffLogan's picture

The case for the other side

The opening post reads, "The other side of the argument is that there are certain things God cannot do, like sin. That it is not just Him choosing to not sin but that He is completely incapable of sin, that it is an actual limit to His omnipotence and omniscience."

The foundation for this position addresses the question, "Is God Righteous, or does He merely refrain from sinning?"

First of all

Let's establish a bases from scripture.

    A Tree and Its Fruit

    Matthew 7:15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Interpreting

Now we know from life's experience that a tree can produce bad and good fruit. A portion of the tree can be damaged or dead and produce bad fruit while another portion can produce perfectly good fruit. So Jesus isn't just talking about horticulture. He is using simple everyday examples to illustrate spiritual truths. The spiritual truth He is establishing here is that the human heart cannot produce anything good because it is impure. But at the same time the heart of God cannot produce anything bad because it is pure. That is the spiritual truth Jesus is relating.

Now if God is pure, can He produce bad fruit? The answer, based on Jesus' principle, is No! So to suggest that God, who is pure, simply restrains His evil inclinations from manifesting themselves outwardly is absurd.

A second thought...

God is love. God is not simply loving but His nature defines love. Anything that God does, therefore, is love. And since love fulfills the law, anything God does also fulfills His law. I am speaking of His moral law. We have already learned from scripture that God is not restrained by the laws which govern nature when He miraculously caused the sun to stand still. But to carry that exception over into the moral sphere and arrive at the conclusion that God can lie, He only restrains Himself, is a blasphemous accusation against God.

Summary

If the ability to lie lies with God, and He only restrains Himself from lying, then Jesus also lied when He accused Satan of being the father of lies because Jesus was before Lucifer was. Jesus was from eternity and Lucifer was created. Now we find ourselves in a real predicament--if God can lie then He cannot be trusted and we have no assurance that He will fulfill His promises to us. If that is the case then we might as well eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we will die. Where is there any hope? If we cannot trust God then whom can we trust?


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