The Trinity and Jesus

Is the Trinity a doctrine supportable by biblical text? How can we know if the Trinity is real or makes sense, or not?

What is Jesus' relationship to God if the Trinity is an inadequate Christological model? Is it possible to consider Jesus as less than God?

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Witnesses

Witnesses
Submitted by Mark101 on Wed, 2011-01-12 14:37.

First, To anyone who believes that I have been overly harsh in my statements I do sincerely apologize. I never meant to offend anyone. Please forgive me.

There is one other that John mentions, but not in the Gospel rather in the Epistle of 1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit".
Notice that John used the Logos, the same Logos in John 1, to witness for Jesus. If Jesus is the Logos then Jesus is witness for Himself, which He claims not to do. Again, this Logos is in heaven while Jesus is on earth, again pointing to the separation of Logos (the wisdom of God) and Jesus.
As one who grew up in the Episcopal Church, acolyte from 8 yr old, spouting the doctrine of the trinity like I believed it, when I became frustrated with the inability of preachers to answer my questions concerning the relationship of God and Jesus I left the church. God allowed me to wonder 16 years in the "wilderness" (so to speak) before He called me back to His service. After 10 years of intense study of the character and nature of Jesus I was as violently opposed to the doctrine I now preach as many of you are. I reacted much the same. I didn't want to believe it because it shook the very core of my faith, no matter how weak, or strong, that might have been. Justin suggested reading the Gospel of John from start to finish, like a novel, to hear it differently. While in college my New Testament Theology professor DEMANDED that we read the entire NT through every week - an exercise I would highly recommend to anyone truly interested in the study of God's Word. I began to hear a different message and asked God to open my mind to the truth of His Word. James is right. If you lack knowledge ask of God and He is willing to freely give it.
One day I came to the realization that, (ok don't get mad but honestly think about it) since we profess that God came to earth in the form of a human who could exercise the power of God through their own authority; had knowledge that gave Him the ability to know the future outcome of events; had a 1st hand knowledge of heaven and the glory that awaits us; then there is no way that He could be considered "truly" human. Nor could He be able to experience our trials and tribulations in the same way as we do. But, more importantly, to admit that a mere human could not fulfill the role God intended humanity to fill was an admission that God made a mistake. Somewhere, either in free will or free choice, humanity was not capable of living a life that was pleasing to God. However, all of Hebrews 11 declares otherwise. Many "truly" human people are listed who did live in a way that pleased God. Many "merely" human people did all the miracles that Jesus did, in one form or another. I know, you are going to say, "Except die on the cross for our sins!!!" I agree, but God is the One that decided who would fill that role, Jesus did not do it on His own. In fact, in the Garden of Gethsemane He prayed 3 times for the Father to take the cup from Him. "But not My will, but Yours be done" an indication that there was a difference in "wills" between God and Jesus. How could that be if they are the same?
Ironically, once I began to examine the possiblity of Jesus being "truly" a human, Hebrew child I began to realize how much clearer and stronger the Words of scripture became. We, yes even this generation of "pond scum" (as many pastors like to remind us) has the ability to rise above our present situations and walk in the full empowerment of the Holy Spirit giving God the opportunity to use us in amazing ways to demonstrate His power to a lost and dying world. We do, in fact, have the ability to die for others sins when we die to our own selfish desires and demonstrate God's love for us, His power working through us, to those who do not believe causing them to repent and be saved.
That is our task.




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