Finding faith?

Noshic's picture

What is the nature of saving faith? What if you end up in a situation opposite to the man in Mark the sense, you know God CAN, but you no longer believe that He WILL help you or save you?

What if despite having had what you thought was true faith, despite centering your life on God for years, all you get is silence within and without? You see your life falling apart in every possible way for no rhyme or reason - esp in areas where you completely trusted God to deliever you with a child-like faith. And on top of it there is no inner follow a check-list of dos and don'ts because it says so in the Bible - but there's no real fruit of the Spirit within - no joy, hope, love or peace...Atleast, even if it was there earlier - it has died.

So what conclusions do you draw from your experiences or the lack of those? That your faith is weak? Well, how does one produce a stronger faith?

I've been praying for faith and spiritual health for years...what more must I do to have proper faith? Doesn't faith flow from grace? So have I been denied that grace? After yrs of opposition, should I accept Calvinism to be true? That grace is extended only to a select few, and I don't happen to be one?

And if faith is a function of my will, then how do I go about willing it? In the last couple of months, I've strongly come to doubt that I have whatever it takes to have God's presence in my life. I look at my life now, and all I feel for God is fear - for bad as things are, I know He could make them even worse (in order to test me?). How can I fake a loving devotion to Him?

It's a very strange situation - I know my life is not worth a bean without God...yet I also know that He's not in my life and there's nothing I can do to bring Him into my life..desperate though I may be..Can one continue to believe that God is in his life year after year, in the absence of any internal or external corroboration of that?

jwmcmac's picture

Brenda, I am not against


I am not against you.

I just don't think you have spoken plainly enough to be understood.

I always ask people to speak clearly and plainly . . . say what you mean.

Doctrines are very plain and give Clarity to otherwise Mysteries of Faith which are beyond our ability to fully fathom or understand. But Doctrines break this down and make clear what 'is' or 'is not' the Truth.

But of course, these are only helpful to those who accept them.

Actually, Doctrine is helpful to both sides of an argument . . .

. . . I finding that the only real unifying doctrine of those who are against CHRIST is the doctrine that says. . .

. . . that . . . if the Church Teaches it . . . then there must be something wrong with it . . .

in other words . . . in some manner . . . those who are against the Doctrines of the Church as regarding CHRIST and Faith . . . that is . . . like Paul of Tarsus, unknowingly . . . if the Catholic Church is the One Church . . . as I Believe and as She Teaches . . . then many of these who are opposed to Her . . . are in some manner at least in jeopardy of being actually 'anti-Christ' . . . though unknowingly to them.

Aside from my Beliefs or yours, Brenda . . . If you spoke more plainly and clearly . . . instead of cryptically, so to speak . . . then I might disagree or agree with you on some level.

As it is, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

As far as Catholic Faith goes . . . the Catholic Faith must include the visible and the invisible as one thing . . . with the visible being the Primary ingredient which Gives Life . . . thus Sacraments . . . in keeping with the visible and invisible Incarnate and Glorified Person of CHRIST WHO in HIS One Person weds two Natures together in HIS One Person and Being.

It is this Sacramental Way of Living that weds our nature to GOD's Nature and keeps us from going off on a tangent which divides CHRIST into a thousand little pieces . . . that division not being either of CHRIST or of HIS Church.

Sacraments bond us together into the One Person WHO is CHRIST and HIS Mystical Body, the Church.

I'm glad that you like Saint John of the Cross. So do I.

Maybe we can find some common ground there . . . that we are not yet aware of thus-far in this dialogue.

GOD Bless you and us all.