Acts The Church and Ministerial Training

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Basically this is just a "what do we learn about the Church from Acts?" thread. As we watch Paul and Barnabas and then Paul and Silas building the Church in Acts, what can we learn about their concept of the Church as a whole? Robert suggested my original plan was too cumbersome so asked me to create new threads.

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There are two aspects to this thread: the training of the local congregation (for the work of ministry - as in Ephesians) and the theological training of ministers (or pastors).

Acts shows us local congregations that trained young men (and women) for every appropriate aspect of Church work. That included the work of ministry and missions. Discuss this statement. Do you think it is valid? What implications (if any) are there for the present system in almost every denomination of sending young men to a seminary to be trained? How does your Church seek to apply those implications in the way they train ministers and missionaries?

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The "Order of service" is the apple that fell off the tree of the Catholic Mass and if understood correctly we would see it as the Protestant Mass and our golden calf.

Dragging Catholicism into this is unnecessary and misleading. The "Order of Service" did not originate in Catholicism. It originated in second-temple Judaism and synagogue practice, where the services followed a particular order, including liturgy, prayer, singing, and exposition of the scriptures, including guest ministers and speakers. When Jesus stands up at the end of a synagogue service, he was acting in the capacity of a preacher, within an order of service, expounding on scripture.

I know it riles a lot of people to say this, but I believe the "order of service" is an albatross around the neck of the church that hampers the every-member functioning that Paul clearly and explicity taught us to do in our assemblying together

IF there is an albatross hanging around the neck of the church, it is that most western Christians happily substitute a one or two-hour service for a vibrant spiritual life and interaction with Christians on a small group scale; the error is not in the way church happens, but in the way that some people define Christian faith as "what happens at church." Paul's writings, even when he's talking about getting together with other Christians, aren't always about meeting together in large groups (after all, there weren't enough converts in most cities in Paul's day to have large groups in the first place), but about meeting together in general, expressing principles of order balanced with principles of equality that need to be instituted differently in every church situation.

If we just stick with scripture, then we can see and measure our own ecclesiastical practices and see that they are wanting and we are not doing as we ought.

Perhaps the issue is not that the "CHURCH" is failing to institute proper biblical ecclesiastical practices, but that you have not found a church which does so. You make sweeping statements about church services, but I know you have never been to my church, or observed my church culture, and yet you sit in very high judgment of it and declare it to be idolatrous, a serious claim.

Several people have pointed out to you that the very earliest church fathers described an order of service for when the regional church bodies gathered together, and further that there is difference between regional church meetings and local members of the church gathering together; big church and small group functions aren't mutually exclusive; they are two different, compatible, mutually inclusive ways of doing "church." You have never been able to argue against this point, but you keep returning to the point that "big church" is evil because it doesn't function like "small group church."

PLEASE stop issuing sweeping statements regarding the ability of other Christians and organizations to serve God in a capacity which you find disagreeable for a variety of personal reasons which don't reflect every or even most conditions of the church.

Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life;
And these are they which bear witness of me;
And ye will not come to me, that ye may have life. (John 5:39-40)




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