Acts The Church and Ministerial Training

Kaitiaki's picture

Basically this is just a "what do we learn about the Church from Acts?" thread. As we watch Paul and Barnabas and then Paul and Silas building the Church in Acts, what can we learn about their concept of the Church as a whole? Robert suggested my original plan was too cumbersome so asked me to create new threads.

Thread Moderator: Kaitiaki

There are two aspects to this thread: the training of the local congregation (for the work of ministry - as in Ephesians) and the theological training of ministers (or pastors).

Acts shows us local congregations that trained young men (and women) for every appropriate aspect of Church work. That included the work of ministry and missions. Discuss this statement. Do you think it is valid? What implications (if any) are there for the present system in almost every denomination of sending young men to a seminary to be trained? How does your Church seek to apply those implications in the way they train ministers and missionaries?

DanFugett's picture

What creates unity?

Clark I understand the issues you have raised. Remember you recommended I buy Viola's book, and I did. You recemmended Nee's book and I got it at that time. And read Fox and Guyon and Tozer. So I understand the traditions that are being challenged by Viola and which you are echoing.

Order of service is a fav to pick on.

So where's the beef?

By the same standard Viola accuses the Christian Church of abandoning, demonstrate directly through a scriptural mandate that church services are to follow the Guyon/Fox/Mystcal/Quietest paradigm. Show us the passage in 1 Cor 14 that clearly lay down the mandate that there be no order and no programming. In fact 1 Cor 14:40 most certainly speaks of order in the service. Most certainly there is nothing that commands a specific program or order, and I am not defending those church leaders who have elevated tradition to the level of scripture. In fact, some tradition should be questioned/abandoned if it has ceased to be relevant to our responsibility to be God's people to this generation.

And the passage you use in 1 Cor 14:26.
Let's see that whole verse.

    What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
    New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 14:26). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

So am I correct that if each of your House Church people may teach and share a revelation, that they may freely practice a tongue and an interpretation?

Uhoh. Tongues? We couldnt have that now could we?
But how can you disallow part of this verse?
NO!!! If this is a scriptural command, and you keep using it, then each person must be allowed to speak in tongues too. Verse 39 goes so far as to command, in this chapter you are telling us the church today should be like, that churches are NOT to forbid speaking in toungues. Welcome to the Pentecostal church brother. As a baptoluthercostal, glad to have you.

Further, verse 28 indicates there is a distinct time for gifted people to be silent.

    ... he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.
    New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 14:28). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

Does this sound like the service is without order?

    if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent.
    New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 14:30). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

What I find most bothersome is the assertion that having an order of service precludes or prevents the free moving of God's Spirit. I can most heartily assure that this is not accurate. Neither freedom of each person do do what she/he wants to do nor unbrideled freedom equal unity. Neither does order of service. Man God is Spirit and those who worship Him MUST worship in spirit and truth. Now, that means you cant box Him in by precluding an order of service, and those who would insist God only moves via a prescribed order are equally wrong.

In Christ,

Dan Fugett

In Christ,

Dan Fugett, Sr Moderator