Acts The Church and Ministerial Training

Kaitiaki's picture

Basically this is just a "what do we learn about the Church from Acts?" thread. As we watch Paul and Barnabas and then Paul and Silas building the Church in Acts, what can we learn about their concept of the Church as a whole? Robert suggested my original plan was too cumbersome so asked me to create new threads.

Thread Moderator: Kaitiaki

There are two aspects to this thread: the training of the local congregation (for the work of ministry - as in Ephesians) and the theological training of ministers (or pastors).

Acts shows us local congregations that trained young men (and women) for every appropriate aspect of Church work. That included the work of ministry and missions. Discuss this statement. Do you think it is valid? What implications (if any) are there for the present system in almost every denomination of sending young men to a seminary to be trained? How does your Church seek to apply those implications in the way they train ministers and missionaries?

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DanFugett's picture

Actually just trying to edge us back from either/or thinking

Actually I would not want to be understood to say that model we must follow is the one in Acts 20, where Paul teaches all night in an obviously stuffy upper room while the rest just listen. I wish to dispel the myth that (1) listening is a passive activity, (2) all meetings must be either participative or non-participative. I am simply saying that the model in Acts 2/20 clearly does not look like the churcn model you are presenting in 1 Cor 14. Perhaps the passage in 1 Cor 14:26 is more about self limiting what we do so that we do nothing edifies less than the assembly, rather than proving a model to support current popular US church models.

To put the word διαλέγομαι in its context

    On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
    New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ac 20:7). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

"he(Paul) prolonged his message until midnight". Ths language and contextt are clear that this was not a dialogue up til midnight in the sense we call it a dialogue.

"talking" in verse 7 meaning

    33.26 διαλέγομαιb; δημηγορέω: to speak in a somewhat formal setting and probably implying a more formal use of language—‘to address, to make a speech.’
    διαλέγομαιb: συνηγμένων ἡμῶν κλάσαι ἄρτον ὁ Παῦλος διελέγετο αὐτοῖς ‘we gathered together for the fellowship meal and Paul spoke to the people’ Ac 20:7.
    δημηγορέω: ὁ Ηρῴδης ἐνδυσάμενος ἐσθῆτα βασιλικὴν καὶ καθίσας ἐπὶ τοῦ βήματος ἐδημηγόρει πρὸς αὐτούς ‘Herod put on his royal robes, sat on his throne, and made a speech to the people’ Ac 12:21.
    Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (391). New York: United Bible societies.

verse 11, which occurred between midnight and sunrise, supprots the idea of what we would call a dialogue

    When he had gone back up and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while until daybreak, and then left.
    New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ac 20:11). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

"talked" meaning

    33.156 ὁμιλέω: to speak with someone, with the implication of a reversal of roles in communication—‘to talk (with), to speak (with).’ αὐτοὶ ὡμίλουν πρὸς ἀλλήλους περὶ πάντων τῶν συμβεβηκότων τούτων ‘they were talking to each other about all the things that had happened’ Lk 24:14; πυκνότερον αὐτὸν μεταπεμπόμενος ὡμίλει αὐτῷ ‘frequently he sent for him and talked with him’ Ac 24:26.
    Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (405). New York: United Bible societies.

In Christ,

Dan Fugett

In Christ,

Dan Fugett, Sr Moderator
dfugett2010@gmail.com




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