Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Love: Lesson 4, question 2

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2. Recall from Lesson 3 and 4 that we discussed that everyone has some good in them. How does this compare to XVII.65?

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Augustine says in XVII.65:

Augustine says in XVII.65: "... that satisfaction may also be made in the Church, in which the sins are forgiven. For, of course, outside her they are not forgiven. For she alone has received the pledge of the Holy Spirit, (referring to II Cor. 1:22???) without whom there is no forgiveness of sins. Those forgiven thus obtain life everlasting."

Do you see in the following passages what Agustine states in that paragraph?
2 Corinthians 1:21-22: 21)"Now it is God who makes both us (Paul, Silas and Timothy) and you (the Corinthians) stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, (only the three of them?),
22) set his seal of ownership on us
(only in the three of them?), and put his Spirit in our hearts (only in the three of them?), as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

That is for every believer! Just because every believer is anointed, owned by Him, have His Spirit as a deposit guaranteeing what is to come (John 7:39 "By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified."; Romans 8:9 "And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.")

1 John 1:5-7 "This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6) If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7)But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

OH, HOW I LOVE THESE PASSAGES! It's kind of a "self-test" to know if one belongs to God or not, don't you think?

Who are those whom John calls "we"?
(1 John 1:3) "We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

Agustine's view of "the Church" is sort of a leadership, (an institution) in charge of the forgiveness of sins.

My view is that The Church is a Spiritual Body whose Head is Jesus Christ. All those who have been born again conform the church. And that God is the Only One who can forgive sin. He is the Only One who can work in them! (Through the sanctifying work of the Spirit)

1 Peter says in chapter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2) who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

And then in 2:9-10: "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10) Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."