One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Mike Kirby's picture

re: mysteries

DM said,

The Church teaches that we are:
795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Mike says,

Item 795 is a teaching of the RCC, that which I could agree with, subject to defining the "church" and "saint".

The paragraph below it appears to be an interpretation of Item 795. That interpretation can also be interpreted as well.

I don't think that

"Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself."

is talking abut the Eternal Christ because I understand that RC's teach that they do not have Eternal Life abiding in them.

On the similitude of marriage and the church/Christ.

That similitude is a spiritual one and is more spiritual that fleshly.

My wife and I have a unity that goes beyond our flesh.

DM said,
Some here have said that this teaching is blasphemous. What do you think?

Mike says,

This sounds like a loaded question,
but that interpretation of 795 which is itself an interpretation is wrong and depending on how it is interpreted could be blasphemy!

After all, you have taught here that the RC does not believe that you have Eternal Life abiding in you.

Am I to understand now that the teaching is that you have become Eternal Life? (while on Terra Firma)

Mike
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"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard

Mike
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"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard




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