1 Corinthians 3:15 -but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire

De Maria's picture

For Catholics the answer is Purgatory.

What is the answer for Protestants?

1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

michael_legna's picture

Purgatory is not about salvation.

11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. NASB 1 Co 3:11-15

DanFugett said -
The fire figure used here burns the rewards.

But that is not what the verse says. It says the works which are wood, hay, straw are what is burned up. And when they are burned up we suffer loss. Therefore these are not rewards - they are works which do not measure up.

The works of gold, silver, precious stones are not burned by fire and for those we receive a reward.

Therefore works which are either burned or not and rewards which never go through the fire are very different. So we see you analysis does not match what scripture really says.

DanFugett said -
This scripture does not say anything about a state we enter to get rid of temporal sins.

You once again either misunderstand or misrepresent the position on purgatory since no one is claiming the purging that occurs gets rid of temporal sins.

The scripture does say that works which are impurities we have associated with us are burnt away from those works which are acceptable. What scripture also tells us is that this has nothing to do with salvation because all these works (not rewards) are built upon the foundation of Christ - and that is what determines salvation.

DanFugett said -
In the end, its Heaven or Hell.

Yes, but the end is after Purgatory and the end of heaven cannot be reached until we are saved as if by fire, just as scripture tells us.

DanFugett said -
1 Cor 3 clearly tell us that the house built on Christ remains.

The house remains but some parts of that house are made up of wood, hay, straw are burned up - even though the house remains. The parts of the house which are made up of works of gold, silver, precious stones are not burned.

DanFugett said -
In Matt 7:24ff Christ had just talked about knowing people by their fruit.

That is not what Matt 7 says at all. It says He will judge us based on our works. Those who do iniquity will be told to depart from His presence.

DanFugett said -
Everyone who hears and acts on His words has firmly and securely planted himself in Christ the rock. The house will stay during the storms of life and it will stand at the eternal judgement.

Yes and the one who built the house will be saved as if by fire even when some of that which they built is burnt away and the builder suffers loss.

DanFugett said -
Rewards may be lost but a person whose heart and therefore life is founded, rooted and grounded, in Christ will enter Heaven's gate.

No rewards are lost, it is works of wood, hay and straw which are lost and they are not sufficient to be given rewards for.

DanFugett said -
1 Cor 9:27 serves to further my point. There are two obvious conclusions possible in the race to which Paul speaks. Those who win the race (maybe not first place but they got there) and those who are disqualified. People can lose their faith (your catechism teaches that) and people can backslide, but that is a distinctly different issue than whether justification is an event or a progression (as catechism/Trent teaches).

No that is not true. If one can lose ones faith and regain it, then we are talking about a process or progression. Once again you state an opinion on something before you fully understand it.

DanFugett said -
Paul did not provide a third option.

Because Paul is speaking about the end result, not about something that is part of the process. Purfication as mentioned in 1 Cor 3 is part of the process as we can see from the fact that even though this burning away of some works causes loss, it does not affect our salvation - thus it is part of the process.

DanFugett said -
One whereby people go to a penalty box (not finish but not disqualified either)


Your ignorance on this matter is amazing, not only that your current argument places purgatory in the process while before you claimed it was not part of it. You are being inconsistent.

DanFugett said -
until someone else running the race (your Pope) decides they can leave the penalty box (indulgences IF loyal to the RCC) and go to the finish line.


The Pope does not decide how much suffering goes on in purgatory, each individuals works decide that. Indulgences are merely means of making restitution for the bad works we have done.




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