Can bad doctrine send you to Hell?

nodenom's picture

The few assembled on this forum are proof enough that Roman Catholics and Protestants and Mormons and JW's will never agree on certain points of doctrine. In fact within each denomination, you will also find disagreement.
This comes as no surprise since we are all still pretty messed up people. A large percentage of confessing 'christians' still suffer the same troubles as non christians as we play out our own little dramas we think important.

Now the question "how much wrong doctrine, dogma etc. must we embrace to lose our salvation"? In fact, can we lose our salvation by embracing wrong doctrine or do we just put ourselves in danger of never seeing the full life Christ has provided manifesting in our lives?

Will we ever see 'His kingdom come and His will being done' or will we just play our pitiful little parts on this stage and never see what could have been?

michael_legna's picture

Proper doctrine is needed so we can obey the Gospel to be saved

DanFugett said -
I realize how difficult it is to see the organizations to which we belong as human and fallible. But that is the only way we can point people to the Savior.

What do you base this idea on? Jesus would not have built a Church and the Holy Spirit would not send us to that Church to correct disagreement and determine doctrine if your claim was accurate.

DanFugett said -
The Gospel that brings people into right relationship with God isnt locked into any religious organization: yours or mine.

However we do know that the Church Christ built will have the full truth of the Gospel and if the religious organization we belong to does not agree with that Church or does not even admit to that Church, that Christ built, still exists then it must be in error on some point of the Gospel.

DanFugett said -
We make mistakes and God can use us effectively when we realize that, when we realize that He is the one who is perfect and infallible and sinless.

Yes, He is perfect and infallible, but the only way He could have left men with the authority to bind and loose on earth as in heaven would be to protect them from error so as to prevent error from entering heaven.

"He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. 14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love. "
New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Eph 4:11-16). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.


What is your point? You offer this section of verse without offering an interpretation so I can only assume you read it the same way I do - that the Church was meant to have a leadership who would lead us to unity. The foremost of these were the Apostles (as we see from 1 Cor 12:28) who because of their authority to bind and loose were more important to the Church even than those who spoke the prophecies of God. If you understand this differently it would help if you provided your interpretation of this verse.

DanFugett said -
When our organizations point people to anyone or anything other than Christ, we are giving people a false gospel on which to rest their hopes.

Only if they point to something else as the source of salvation, but if they point to others as stewards of the Church, just as Christ established them by quoting Is 22:22, then we are not teaching a false Gospel but we are merely repeating the teaching of Christ which are never false.

DanFugett said -
Christ is the Head of the Body and it is to that Head we, the Body, are to point people for salvation. Pointing people to the Body for salvation is not consistent with our role, and irreverent to the Head of the Body.

And no one is pointing to the body for salvation, but for the correct understanding of the Gospel which we must obey to be saved.

DanFugett said -
The way we can "speak the truth in love" and grow the body "for the building up of itself in love" is to grow up into the Head. The ultimate purpose of leadership is to help the members of the Body to "all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ."

DanFugett said -
Christ is who we need to point people to for the purpose of their eternal salvation: so bad doctrine does not take them to hell through unbelief in Christ (Jn 3:36)

It does if they misinterpret John 3:36 and thus believe the wrong things about Christ.

DanFugett said -
The purpose of church leadership is NOT to point people to the church but to the Son of God. Peter pointed to Christ not himself as the source of eternal life. "Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69 We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God. " Jn 6:68-69

And no one points to the Church as the source of eternal life so your point is simply another of your misdirections when you argue against a position you know the Catholic Church does not take.

DanFugett said -
Peter certainly did not point people to himself. He preached the pure Gospel of salvation. 22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— 23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. 24 “But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power ... 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Ac 2:22-24, 38

Peter and the Apostles did point to themselves as the ones who would decide proper doctrine:

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

and

2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

And finally this section of verse you quote was not ALL Peter preached because the Gospel is so much more than this simple understanding would lead us to.




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