Can bad doctrine send you to Hell?

nodenom's picture

The few assembled on this forum are proof enough that Roman Catholics and Protestants and Mormons and JW's will never agree on certain points of doctrine. In fact within each denomination, you will also find disagreement.
This comes as no surprise since we are all still pretty messed up people. A large percentage of confessing 'christians' still suffer the same troubles as non christians as we play out our own little dramas we think important.

Now the question "how much wrong doctrine, dogma etc. must we embrace to lose our salvation"? In fact, can we lose our salvation by embracing wrong doctrine or do we just put ourselves in danger of never seeing the full life Christ has provided manifesting in our lives?

Will we ever see 'His kingdom come and His will being done' or will we just play our pitiful little parts on this stage and never see what could have been?

DanFugett's picture

Order of works makes the two faiths a world apart `

And an eternity apart.

By placing God's grace received through faith in the predominant position, the clear implication asserted is that (for those who hold THIS view), cooperation with grace is not a possible position to hold.

This ties directly to nondenom's question because, plainly put with no hostility or arrogance intended, one of these views is right and leads to God. The other leads away from God or has the potential to do so. Faith alone, as a means to receive God's gracious gift, forever separates our views and must do so. Trent declares that this line exist and the true Catholic must approach the Bible denying that faith alone is a possibility as the means to receive God's offer of salvation by grace. The various Reformation movement(s) reached the same conclusion in this regard: we do not accept the authority of the Church as equal to God in His Word, or to be the final interpreter of the Word.

The following quotes from Trent support the former assertion that a view against faith alone is required by those who hold to Cathlocism:

"neither is this to be asserted,-that they who are truly justified must needs, without any doubting whatever, settle within themselves that they are justified, and that no one is absolved from sins and justified, but he that believes for certain that he is absolved and justified; and that absolution and justification are effected by this faith alone: as though whoso has not this belief, doubts of the promises of God, and of the efficacy of the death and resurrection of Christ."

Yet, I concur with the following statement of Trent, to a point. Faith alone does not mean faith can stay alone. And we never ssid that id did. Faith accepting God's grace still results in obedience, and taking up one's cross, and identifying with Christ's sufferings --- are as a RESULT of being made a new creature in Christ. The order makes ALL the difference

"Wherefore, no one ought to flatter himself up with faith alone, fancying that by faith alone he is made an heir, and will obtain the inheritance, even though he suffer not with Christ, that so he may be also glorified with him. For even Christ Himself, as the Apostle saith, Whereas he was the son of God, learned obedience by the things which he suffered, and being consummated, he became, to all who obey him, the cause of eternal salvation. "

This final quote from Trent forever separates the two views and, in my opinion, the two parts of Christendom. I have explicitly said that one view is correct and the other is not. Yet, no individual's salvation is in question because only God can judge that - we have to keep that in mind here, and I belive I have. I have offered proof what Trent says and others are free to show where my conclusions differ from what is meant. In the mean time, I think doctrinal statements like this help people understand the huge differences between the doctrine of salvation (what this thread is about right ???).

CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema (1 of over 150 anathemas in Trent --- compare to a couple in the Bible).

Contrast that with the simple Gospel: We enter relationship with God because He graciously provided salvatino through Christ's person, death and resurrection. We can, through faith alone, yield to the call of God to come Him because He frees our will to say yes or no. Until we say yes, all we can do is say yes or no to His call to become a His child and friend and slave and lamb, etc.

In Christ,

Dan Fugett, Sr Moderator