Can bad doctrine send you to Hell?

nodenom's picture

The few assembled on this forum are proof enough that Roman Catholics and Protestants and Mormons and JW's will never agree on certain points of doctrine. In fact within each denomination, you will also find disagreement.
This comes as no surprise since we are all still pretty messed up people. A large percentage of confessing 'christians' still suffer the same troubles as non christians as we play out our own little dramas we think important.

Now the question "how much wrong doctrine, dogma etc. must we embrace to lose our salvation"? In fact, can we lose our salvation by embracing wrong doctrine or do we just put ourselves in danger of never seeing the full life Christ has provided manifesting in our lives?

Will we ever see 'His kingdom come and His will being done' or will we just play our pitiful little parts on this stage and never see what could have been?

michael_legna's picture

I still think you miss the difference in Catholicism.

jqlogan said -
Just wanted to add one thing about obedience. Obedience to secular authorities is typically not driven by love. But obedience to God MUST be, I repeat, MUST be purely out of love.

The Church is not a secular authority and obedience to it is obedience to the Gospel and to Christ and so is done out of love.

jqlogan said -
Because God is love he cannot accept a forced obedience, a forced worship. He can only accept obedience and worship which is freely given by the perfectly untethered free will of the individual.

The Church does not force obedience either and can only accept obedience freely given.

jqlogan said -
This is why God chose something so silly as preaching to win souls to His kingdom. God approaches us through our minds. He appeals to our reasoning.

It is also why God chose something so silly as the Church to send preachers out to do the preaching to win souls to His kingdom. God approaches us through our minds and by appealing to our reasoning by sending out those to preach the Gospel - that is why the Church was established. Scripture tells us it is by hearing a properly preached understanding of the Gospel that one comes to believe, not by reading and interpreting on our own.

jqlogan said -
The concern of the Protestant is that the Catholic strives to obey the church precepts in order to obtain salvation. This is no different from the Hebrews who tried to obey God's law to earn salvation.

It is very different, because the Hebrews tried to obey so as to earn salvation and Catholics strive to obey the Church precepts as a means of accessing graces to assist us in molding our will to the divine will and thus properly accept the freely offered gift of salvation since scripture tells us we must obey the Gospel to obtain salvation. I am sorry you cannot see this difference.

jqlogan said -
But Galatians 3 and Romans 3 make it very clear that righteousness does not come from observing a law but comes only by faith in Jesus.

NO it doesn't. In fact it never says "only by faith" anywhere in these writings. It only contrasts faith against works aimed at earning salvation, it never even contrasts faith with works of love, let alone separating faith so as to be alone. In fact there is only one place in all of scripture where the concept of faith only is found and that is in James where it says we are not saved by faith alone.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

jqlogan said -
It would seem that our Catholic friends are telling us we have it backwards; that one must first be obedient and then by those good works comes perfect faith. While the Protestant says, Nay! But first comes faith and then obedience.

But the second approach has that which is imperfect and dead generating those acts which perfect it and enliven it. This is completely backwards as nothing which is dead can produce fruit and fruit cannot perfect a dead plant.

jqlogan said -
The first method relies on what the individual can do to help himself. The second method relies completely upon what Jesus will do to help the sinner.

No the first relies on the grace of God and man cooperating with that grace in order to accept the free gift which depends completely on Christ to have made its offer possible.