Discussions on Jesus (combining Was Jesus God & Jesus in the Bread)

Loutzenhiser's picture

Both these threads are covering about the same territory now and getting long again. Continue both threads here.

michael_legna's picture

You are confusing yourself with bad math.

ML said: "Now God does not stop being fully God when He does not destroy the world by flood and so He does not stop being fully God when He limits Himself to not using His divine attributes in form of the Incarnation."

"Jesus can be God and at the same time man, so He is God in one nature and something less (man) in the other."

"This one being with two natures does not imply a blending of the two. They are two distinct natures"

"one nature can certainly be tempted while the other is not."

duu1der said -
Now...basic math, trigonometry, or whatever form of calculus you want to use, if the 2 natures act independently, 1 + 1 = 2.

Yes two natures, but not two Gods or even two beings because you cannot add one apple and one orange and get two apples or even two pears.

duu1der said -
If God does not stop being God even when He "does not stop being fully God when He does not destroy the world by flood and so He does not stop being fully God when He limits Himself to not using His divine attributes"; and God cannot be tempted by evil, then Jesus cannot be God.

Sure He can because His human nature can be tempted.Since while He was fully God, He was also fully man.

duu1der said -
I fully believe that God can do anything He wants to do, but I believe there is only ONE God.

So do I.

duu1der said -
He is not a God that has to "play tricks" by pretending to be something He's not.

Stop telling God what to do. He is not the kind of God who has to do anything the way we want Him to but sometimes He does and sometimes He does it the way He wants to and it may seem strange to us but it is the only way to reconcile the verses I have offered and you continue to avoid addressing.

duu1der said -
He is. God is Spirit. He is not bound by flesh, but His Spirit is indivisible.

Again He can do anything He wants so I don't place limits on Him as you do here.

duu1der said -
Because an orange says it is an apple, doesn't make it any less an orange. God is God.

But an orange is not all powerful, so when an all powerful orange wants to be an apple and remain an orange at the same time it can.

duu1der said -
He can "pretend" to be human, as you claim, but, He is still God (as you also claim). NO matter how you say it, God is God and cannot be tempted by evil. If Jesus can be tempted, He cannot be God.

The divine nature in Jesus was never tempted it was the human nature which was tempted.

duu1der said -
Second, you left out the part that if you declare that the 2 natures can act independently, there are 2 gods.

ML said: "I didn't leave it out because it is not true. Jesus has two natures one divine (=God) and one human (mortal <> God)."

duu1der said: "NO there is a big problem with your thinking. If Jesus is ONE, His natures are connected."

ML said: "And you base this claim on what? This one being with two natures does not imply a blending of the two. They are two distinct natures."

duu1der said -
How come you contradict yourself in your own statements.

How come you avoid answering direct questions? What do you base the claim on that His natures had to be connected just because He is one being?

duu1der said -
Either Jesus has 2 distinct natures, which you denied,

Where did I deny He had two distinct natures? Please provide a quote and the link to the post or retract this.

duu1der said -
or they are connected, which you denied.

Jesus was one being with two natures distinct from each other.

duu1der said -
No wonder the Trinity is so hard to explain... it makes NO sense.

I think you are getting the relationship within the Trinity confused with the relationship within the Incarnation. They are two different but related issues.

The Trinity is three Persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) in one God.

The Incarnation is two natures (one human and one divine) in one being (Jesus).




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