Discussions on Jesus (combining Was Jesus God & Jesus in the Bread)

Loutzenhiser's picture

Both these threads are covering about the same territory now and getting long again. Continue both threads here.

duu1der's picture

ML said: "Now God does not

ML said: "Now God does not stop being fully God when He does not destroy the world by flood and so He does not stop being fully God when He limits Himself to not using His divine attributes in form of the Incarnation."

"Jesus can be God and at the same time man, so He is God in one nature and something less (man) in the other."

"This one being with two natures does not imply a blending of the two. They are two distinct natures"

"one nature can certainly be tempted while the other is not."

Now...basic math, trigonometry, or whatever form of calculus you want to use, if the 2 natures act independently, 1 + 1 = 2.

If God does not stop being God even when He "does not stop being fully God when He does not destroy the world by flood and so He does not stop being fully God when He limits Himself to not using His divine attributes"; and God cannot be tempted by evil, then Jesus cannot be God.

I fully believe that God can do anything He wants to do, but I believe there is only ONE God. He is not a God that has to "play tricks" by pretending to be something He's not. He is. God is Spirit. He is not bound by flesh, but His Spirit is indivisible.
Because an orange says it is an apple, doesn't make it any less an orange. God is God. He can "pretend" to be human, as you claim, but, He is still God (as you also claim). NO matter how you say it, God is God and cannot be tempted by evil. If Jesus can be tempted, He cannot be God.

duu1der said -
Second, you left out the part that if you declare that the 2 natures can act independently, there are 2 gods.

ML said: "I didn't leave it out because it is not true. Jesus has two natures one divine (=God) and one human (mortal <> God)."

duu1der said: "NO there is a big problem with your thinking. If Jesus is ONE, His natures are connected."

ML said: "And you base this claim on what? This one being with two natures does not imply a blending of the two. They are two distinct natures."

How come you contradict yourself in your own statements. Either Jesus has 2 distinct natures, which you denied, or they are connected, which you denied. No wonder the Trinity is so hard to explain... it makes NO sense.




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