Why is the Bible True and other Scriptures False?

dgshaw's picture

This has been a question that has plagued me for a long time, especially given my extensive study of other scriptures in addition to our own and my thorough study of historical/critical reflection on the Bible.

It seems to me either:

A. we must ACCEPT the premise "our scripture is true, theirs are not" on FAITH alone
or
B. we must DEMONSTRATE the premise "our scripture is true, theirs are not" RATIONALLY.

I would relish hearing a sound and sane discussion on this issue.

Thank you.

In Christ

Dan

jwmcmac's picture

*** Bible - II Timothy 3:

*** Bible - II Timothy 3:

12 And all that will live godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution.

(my comment:

Do we suffer persecution? If we are turning the other cheek, then we certainly will receive at least some persecution . . . even from within the Church . . . and even more especially . . . we may be persecuted from those who are without the bounds of the Church.

It is certain that the Church is being persecuted at this time in History . . . some think deservedly so . . . but the Church is us . . . and if She is persecuted . . . that also means that we will be persecuted who claim Her as our Mother . . . which I do.

Both the Faithful and Obedient Members of the Church and the sinners have received more persecution in the past century than in all of the centuries prior to this time in History . . . more than 100 million alone at the hands of the communist have been brutally murdered . . . and even now Christians and Catholics across the entire world are being persecuted for their Faith.

This persecution is soon coming to Europe and to the Americas . . . and is already here . . . they wanting to 'prosecute' the Pope and the Bishops for the sins of the Members of the Church . . . as I say . . . perhaps we deserve it . . . just as they persecuted CHRIST for HIS association with 'sinners' . . . they laying it all on HIM . . . so they do with the Bishops and Priests and with the Pope . . . they wishing to lay our sins on the Church Herself and on those who are in Authority over Her.

Which side will you be on? . . . not the hypocritical one, I Hope . . . we all being sinners. )

13 But evil men and seducers shall grow worse and worse: erring, and driving into error.

(my comment:

Who errs ? . . . Evil men and seducers ? . . . not the Church . . .

Who is it who has the 'say' as to 'what' is an error . . . as regarding the Faith . . . and to whom do they have the 'authority' to 'say' it . . . to the members of the Church? . . . or to the world at large? . . . or to both and each and to all individuals who set themselves up against Her? Who is it Who has the Truth which is in CHRIST? . . . is it those who claim it individually or is it the Church which HE Sent . . . a question for the ages . . . each must answer for the way they each and all interpret this . . . each must answer for his own interpretation of this.)

1 Timothy 3:

"15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

(my comment:

Who has the Authority . . . according to Scripture ? . . . You . . . Me . . . individually . . . or does the Church have it . . . as a whole Body and Structure . . . as Built by CHRIST on the men whom HE Sent ? . . . what is your Foundation in CHRIST's Truth . . . at least in regard to Scripture if not to the Traditions of Faith which we are to Keep . . . ? . . . Is your Foundation of Truth based on your own interpretation of Scripture or is it of the Church's authority to interpret the Scripture which the LORD Gave Her through the inspiration of the HOLY SPIRIT WHO Came upon Her at Pentecost? )

Douay Commentary:

15 "The pillar and ground of the truth"... Therefore the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in corruptions, superstition, or idolatry.

*** Bible - II Timothy 3: continuing:

14 But continue thou in those things which thou hast learned, and which have been committed to thee: knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

(my comment:

The following being some of those things committed unto thee . . . committed by Paul to the Church of the Living GOD . . . the Church which is the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth on earth . . . the Church which is HIS Mystical Body on Earth . . . to whom we are to listen as if we listening to HIM . . . and which if we 'reject' Her, then we are rejecting HIM.)

2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

(my comment:

Scripture, saying . . . in more than one way . . . to 'Keep All things whatsoever' . . . the Traditions of Faith . . . the Teachings of the Faith . . . which CHRIST has commanded us to Believe and to do through HIS Church on Earth . . . whether by written or oral Tradition of Faith . . . these handed on by Paul and the other Apostles to the Church . . . and continuing to this day and to the end of time . . . under the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT.)

*** Bible - II Timothy 3: continuing:

15 And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

(my comment:

the 'old testament' Scriptures are the Scriptures which are here referred to here and elsewhere which are to be employed to 'reprove' and etc . . . as these 'new testament' Scriptures here describe and implore.)

16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,

17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work."

Douay Commentary:

16 "All scripture,"... Every part of divine scripture is certainly profitable for all these ends. But, if we would have the whole rule of Christian faith and practice, we must not be content with those Scriptures, which Timothy knew from his infancy, that is, with the Old Testament alone: nor yet with the New Testament, without taking along with it the traditions of the apostles, and the interpretation of the church, to which the apostles delivered both the book, and the true meaning of it."

(My comment:

It is the Church which here further applies the New Testament Scripture which 'New Testament' She wrote as being included in with the Old Testament Scripture as well in this 'All Scripture' . . . as the 'New Testament' had not yet been fully formed and had not been established as a Canon of Sacred Scripture equal to the Old Testament as yet . . . until the Church established this as 'Fact' and as 'Truth' and as 'Doctrine'.

She doing this . . . 'including of the New Testament Scripture' . . . because She has the Authority to do so . . . from GOD through CHRIST and HIS HOLY SPIRIT and by Apostolic succession . . . by the laying on of hands.

Everyone else who claims these things (even if they claim it is the HOLY SPIRIT inspiring them, individually, but separate from the Church) more or less does this 'including and interpreting' by their own authority and by their own personal interpretation . . . of which there are thousands and thousands who claim this though without 'universal visible and invisible unity' (whether they claiming visible or invisible unity or not) . . . each to his or to her's their own way of understanding . . . yet each therefore denying this ability to the Church as a body . . . this ability which the Church always claiming to have 'infallibly' as pertains to Doctrinal Teachings of Faith.

She speaks with the same Authority as CHRIST in matters of Faith and Morals . . . in these matters of Faith and Morals only . . . claiming no other 'sphere' of authority on earth . . . but that which 'confirms' us in the Truth of CHRIST as given by HIM to Her.)

***

Despite as most think . . . as concerns the Church's Authority over matters of Faith and Morals . . . these are not 'repressive' abilities and Authorities which the Church exercises in behalf of the 'Saviour' and in behalf of HIS 'Truth' which 'Truth' HE 'Is' in HIS Incarnate SELF . . . rather . . . these being Necessary abilities and Authorities . . . and these qualities being of the very Nature of CHRIST and also of the very Nature of HIS Sacramental Church.

This Authority of the Church in Matters of Faith and Morals . . . is the same quality of CHRIST, WHO Spoke as One WHO has Authority . . . and this is not like the 'individual' who claims 'authority' . . . expressing this authority as one does who leaves everything hanging . . . without Doctrine . . . without Definition . . . without Clarity and . . . without Certainty . . . as if Truth is an 'uncertain' thing . . . even and especially in this Life on earth . . . not to mention in Heaven above . . . where the Glorified Truth Resides on the Altar, Standing as if Slain, Perpetually and Eternally offering HIMSELF for HIS Bride, the Church, HIS Body.

This Authority of the Church is not like that of the individual who claims authority in their doctrinal 'uncertainty'. . . they expressing their authority as this . . . instead of they or anyone 'having' the 'Revealed Truth' . . . instead of this . . . these others 'claimants' . . . saying that no one has the whole Truth . . . not any individual . . . not even the Church . . . as if this could be the situation from the beginning of the Church to now . . . this 'uncertain truth' of which they speak . . . only to be finally 'Revealed' at some later date such as 'judgement Day' . . . even after CHRIST saying . . .

All Authority . . . All Power . . . All Truth . . . is WHO I Am . . . "I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life" . . . as if this is possible . . . even in the Flesh . . . and in this Life . . . and in this world . . . as in Heaven also . . . we growing in that Knowledge and Wisdom and Grace before GOD and Man . . . but not that any of these are uncertain . . . because these are 'Certain' . . . Certain both in the Person of CHRIST and in HIS Sacramental Mystical Body on Earth, the Church.

Matthew 28:

18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

Douay commentary:

18 "All power"... See here the warrant and commission of the apostles and their successors, the bishops and pastors of Christ's church. He received from his Father all power in heaven and in earth: and in virtue of this power, he sends them (even as his Father sent him, St. John 20. 21) to teach and disciple, not one, but all nations; and instruct them in all truths: and that he may assist them effectually in the execution of this commission, he promises to be with them, not for three or four hundred years only, but all days, even to the consummation of the world. How then could the Catholic Church ever go astray; having always with her pastors, as is here promised, Christ himself, who is the way, the truth, and the life. St. John 14.

(I conclude:

Truth is Certain . . . at least to me . . . Truth is Certain . . . especially the 'Objective Truths' which are the Doctrines of the Faith.

If we are one of those who claim to have no 'Certain' Doctrines of Faith, whether Spoken or Written Doctrines . . . if our 'claim' is to an 'uncertain' Faith . . . a Faith with little or no Doctrinal Definition . . . then we have not any of, or, we have very little of, that 'Truth of Faith' which is of the Truth WHO is CHRIST . . . CHRIST WHO Is the Truth in the Flesh . . . that Truth which finds its Wholeness expressed and finding its full Unity and accomplishment within the Body of Mankind in the Mystery that is expressed and embodied in the Sacramental Nature which is the Whole Christ which is HIS Church . . . the Mystery hidden throughout the ages, but now revealed in CHRIST and in HIS Mystical Body the Church, us in HIM and HE in us, enlivened by Love and formed in Unity by the Grace of the HOLY SPIRIT, and according to the accomplishment of the FATHER's Will . . . forming that Substantial Wisdom Who is the SON and HIS Mystical Body. )

GOD Bless you if you at least can read this.

GOD Bless you and us all.




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