The Xmas Thread: Discussions on secular/pagan practices

Loutzenhiser's picture

This thread is for the discussion of secular/pagan Xmas problems and thoughts. I used Xmas to differentiate this thread form the Christmas thread. To discuss the birth of Jesus please use the Christmas Thread.

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RE: observance was no longer required

Brother Doug,

Thank you for your point on ...Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law... I'm just trying to make clear this statement.

What you pointed out about Paul's Letters/Books, does in no way make void G-d's Commandment to The Jews to Make Holy The Sabbath Day!

To fulfill anything does not mean to make void, or as you have put it: longer required...

Yes, Yeshua/Jesus Fulfilled both The Law and The Prophets, this refers to the meaning as The Prophetic Understanding of both The Torah and The Prophets is now Fulfilled with His Execution on a Roman Cross. But G-d's Requirement for Holy Living were still a mitzvah for The Jews, and not for The Gentiles. This was the problem that faced those Jews who were believers in their Messiah, Yeshua/Jesus. To The Judaized Christians this teaching by Paul was a real problem within Christianity. The Judaizer Christians were first living under Covenant with G-d before Christ's Execution, and those who discovered their Messiah were living with Him from then on. Of course there is going to be a conflict among The Gentiles, who come from a different Stream of Faith.

The words you use: 'pay it off'... is what our Redemption is all about. The Redemption is The Price that was paid for our return to G-d's Favor/Grace which is The Life Blood of The Lamb/Jesus that was given. This was willing paid/given as The Price for our Redemption. Grace is what G-d Provides us with so we are then able to Change our Direction in life.

You see, we also have our Foundation as Christians, found within The Hebrew Bible. For it is out of this same Faith in G-d that Yeshua/Jesus was born unto Mary.

With this information you can see why this problem came up and why Paul, who was also a Jew by birth, was trying to point out the distinction within Christianity. Today, we have not really understood this point and why this was such a problem, because we today have missed The Hebrew Understanding within our Faith as Christians.