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The Xmas Thread: Discussions on secular/pagan practices

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This thread is for the discussion of secular/pagan Xmas problems and thoughts. I used Xmas to differentiate this thread form the Christmas thread. To discuss the birth of Jesus please use the Christmas Thread.

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A reply to: My focus was on

A reply to: My focus was on what Tertullian said/didnt say not Wikipedia
Submitted by DanFugett on Tue, 2010-02-16 18:27.

Dan said, Do you think that perhaps worshipping in the catacombs and the threat of getting fed to lions was a tad more important than which day they worshipped the birth of Christ or the fact it was made a national holiday by the emperor? I really dont understand the problem.

I was under the impression that as Christians would were to be different from the world and that it would be at a high cost to us personally to avoid compromising our faith. I base this on a few scriptures. How do you apply these to your life or what reasoning do you use to liberate yourself from them? Do you consider all forms of constraint to be legalism? Are you of the mind that anything goes?

    Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
    1 John 2:15-16 (KJV)

    I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
    Romans 12:1-2 (KJV)

    Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
    1 Peter 4:1-5 (KJV)

How do you apply these to your life or what reasoning do you use to liberate yourself from them? Do you consider all forms of constraint to be legalism? Are you of the mind that anything goes?

How do you understand these verses? We are saved by grace, not by works, but look at what this grace teaches us.

    For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
    Titus 2:11-12 (KJV)

And, again...

    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
    2 Cor 5:14-15 (KJV)

Christmas may be harmless enough so far down the road from its original inception. But I doubt it is totally without harmful influences. Just look at how perfectly it lends itself to the commercialization of it and how that feeds our selfish natures for one thing. Does baptism or communion which are things the Lord instituted and commanded we do? How can we justify your logic after reading these scriptures?

To get some concept of how Catholicism has influenced our holidays and our superstitions get a hold of the book, "Why do Catholics Eat Fish on Friday", by Dr. Michael P. Foley.

    Product Description [Courtesy of Amazon.com]
    Did you know that the origins of Groundhog Day stem from a Catholic tradition? Or that the common pretzel was once a Lenten reward for the pious? Why Do Catholics Eat Fish on Friday is a fascinating guide to the roots of all-things-Catholic. This smart and concise guide will introduce readers to the hidden heritage in many commonplace things that make up contemporary life. The reader-friendly format and the illuminating entries will make this guide a perfect gift for Catholics and anyone who loves a bit of historic trivia.
    Table of Contents - Foreword * Time * Manners & Dining Etiquette * Food * Drink * Music & Theater * Sports & Games * Holidays & Festivities * Flowers & Plants * Insects, Animals, & More * American Places * International, National, & State Symbols * Clothes & Other Sundry Inventions * Education & Superstition * Art & Science * Law & Architecture * Epilogue: Words, Words, Words--Catholic, Anti-Catholic, and Post-Catholic

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