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The Xmas Thread: Discussions on secular/pagan practices

Loutzenhiser's picture

This thread is for the discussion of secular/pagan Xmas problems and thoughts. I used Xmas to differentiate this thread form the Christmas thread. To discuss the birth of Jesus please use the Christmas Thread.

My focus was on what Tertullian said/didnt say not Wikipedia

I think if you read my response on Tertullian and Sunday worship it may help. The point being that accidental likenesses to pagan activities does not of itself make a practice right/wrong. As Tertullian alludes, praying a certain direction is not right/wrong simply on the basis that pagans do so too.

What makes a celebratory holiday pagan or not? The fact the two days occur on the same date? Why would we have to accept only the days commanded in scripture? Why would we place ourselves under such a legalistic frame of mind? If a group of Christians want to celebrate the 4th of July a certain way yearly, would that then be a pagan holiday? I think not for where 2-3 gather in Jesus name He is in their midst. Jesus presence makes day His day not some mytholodical god.

Next, the Christian slaves of the Roman empire (which is where Christianity started) were not in a place of picking and choosing what holidays they got. One day a year the Roman slave could be with his/her family was Saturnalia. So, of course, rather than become pedantic and adopt an attitude of demanding their own holiday, we took a pagan holiday and used it to celebrate Jesus. Do you think that perhaps worshipping in the catacombs and the threat of getting fed to lions was a tad more important than which day they worshipped the birth of Christ or the fact it was made a national holiday by the emperor?

I really dont understand the problem.

The logic is rather like tbe group that says we should all meet in house churches because no dedicated church buildings existed in the new testament.

In Christ,

Dan Fugett