The Xmas Thread: Discussions on secular/pagan practices

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This thread is for the discussion of secular/pagan Xmas problems and thoughts. I used Xmas to differentiate this thread form the Christmas thread. To discuss the birth of Jesus please use the Christmas Thread.

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Tertullian comments on Christmas

A reply to: The Better Question?
Submitted by fr_wayne_mcnamara on Mon, 2010-02-15 09:36.

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    LATIN CHRISTIANITY:

    ITS FOUNDER, TERTULLIAN
    THREE PARTS: I. APOLOGETIC; II. ANTI-MARCION; III. ETHICAL.
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    AMERICAN EDITION.

    Part I

    Chapter XIV.—Of Blasphemy. One of St. Paul’s Sayings.

    “If,” says he, “I wished to please men, I should not be Christ’s servant.”265 But the same apostle elsewhere bids us take care to please all: “As I,” he says, “please all by all means.”266 No doubt he used to please them by celebrating the Saturnalia and New-year’s day! [Was it so] or was it by moderation and patience? by gravity, by kindness, by integrity? In like manner, when he is saying, “I have become all things to all, that I may gain all,”267 does he mean “to idolaters an idolater?” “to heathens a heathen?” “to the worldly worldly?” But albeit he does not prohibit us from having our conversation with idolaters and adulterers, and the other criminals, saying, “Otherwise ye would go out from the world,”268 of course he does not so slacken those reins of conversation that, since it is necessary for us both to live and to mingle with sinners, we may be able to sin with them too. Where there is the intercourse of life, which the apostle concedes, there is sinning, which no one permits. To live with heathens is lawful, to die with them269 is not.

Saturnalia
From Wikipedia Online

    Christmas
    There is no historical evidence that early Christians in the first century commemorated the birth of Jesus Christ. In fact, in keeping with early Jewish law and tradition, it is likely that birthdays were not commemorated at all. According to The World Book Encyclopedia: "early Christians considered the celebration of anyone's birth to be a pagan custom." (Vol. 3, page 416) Rather than commemorating his birth, the only command Jesus gave concerning any sort of commemoration of his life actually had only to do with his death (Luke 22:19). It was not until several hundred years after the death of Jesus Christ that the first instances of the celebration of Christmas begin to appear in the historical record.[6] According to the new Encyclopedia Britannica, later Christians likely "wished the date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the 'birthday of the unconquered sun'." The festival was celebrated with similar customs (gift giving, feasting) that are done to celebrate Christmas today.

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