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The Xmas Thread: Discussions on secular/pagan practices

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This thread is for the discussion of secular/pagan Xmas problems and thoughts. I used Xmas to differentiate this thread form the Christmas thread. To discuss the birth of Jesus please use the Christmas Thread.

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A reply to: Very balanced

A reply to: Very balanced Pastor McNamara
Submitted by DanFugett on Mon, 2010-02-15 14:38.

Dan writes, "...we must challenge legalism where we find it ..."

Dan, I agree with that statement. But you appear to oppose Sabbath keeping yet seem to defend Christmas. Can I ask, what is legalism to you? Do you consider that obeying God's law is legalism and that is why you avoid it? So according to that logic should we also steal, lie, commit adultery and the like in order to avoid all appearances of legalism? James says that if we break one of the commandments we break them all. Would keeping all but one constitute legalism? I say yes. Ask me to explain.

What about obeying church law? Is that legalism? If it is legalistic to obey God's Sabbath commandment then is it any less legalistic to obey church laws which obligate us to keep Sunday and Christmas holy? The 1st precept of the Catholic church is to hear Mass on Sundays and Holydays of obligation. The Holydays of obligation are:

1. Jan 1st - Circumcision of our Lord
2. 40th day after Easter - Ascension of our Lord
3. Aug 15th - Assumption of our Lady
4. Nov 1st - All Saints
5. Dec 8th - Immaculate Conception of Our Blessed Lady
6. Dec 25th - Birth of our Lord

According to the Catechism, missing Mass on Sundays and Holydays of Obligation is a grievous matter?

It would be legalism to honor the Sabbath day merely from a sense of duty. But do you think God would like to see us eagerly and energetically with a heart filled with zeal and love for Him honor his Sabbath day as we now honor the Catholic Holyday Christ's-Mass? If we kept the Sabbath day as joyfully as we do Christmas then would Sabbath observance cease to be legalistic?

To those who celebrate Sunday. Do you enjoy Sunday Mass? Do you go with a heart filled with devotion? Do you insinuate or consider that Sunday observance is legalism? Then why can't others enjoy the Sabbath with the same heart filled with devotion without being labeled legalistic? It makes no sense to me. Actually, I know the reason but I shouldn't divulge it here.

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