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The Xmas Thread: Discussions on secular/pagan practices

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This thread is for the discussion of secular/pagan Xmas problems and thoughts. I used Xmas to differentiate this thread form the Christmas thread. To discuss the birth of Jesus please use the Christmas Thread.

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A reply to: Idolatry
Submitted by fr_wayne_mcnamara on Mon, 2010-01-25 02:04.

    The sin of idolatry is in the human heart and motive. It does not reside in some objective sense in any tradition or ritual unless that tradition contains blasphemous words or engages us in evil acts (murder, adultery, etc.).

You have spoken some wise words. However, there is a big difference in participating in something completely harmless such as a ballgame and partaking in an act of worship which God has not ordained.

For example, in the desert God instructed Moses to make a serpent and place in on a staff. The people were instructed to look upon that serpent and live. What if I made such an item and asked you to look upon it for salvation? Would that be okay since your motive is pure? If it was okay back then, wouldn't it be okay now? No, of course not. God ordained the first serpent but the second one is something man made. Man cannot make anything holy and that is why God forbids us to make images and venerate them. The same goes for Sunday. God blessed the 7th day and made it holy. Man cannot transfer the holiness of the 7th day to the 1st day. Even though the motive is pure it is still a form of idolatry to reverence something God has not set apart for that use.

If you can show me that Jesus was born on the 25th of December and that God commands us to keep that day holy, and the objects surrounding it, then I would have a different attitude toward the institution of Christmas. But as it stands right now Christmas and the tree are merely objects men have venerated to a place of holiness that God has not ordained. So I reason it is idolatry. If it were like Thanksgiving I would not complain. But Thanksgiving is not a holy day, even though it is called a holiday--a word derived from "Holy Day."

We can also make the church an object of idolatry simply by elevating it to a place not ordained by God. We do this when we accept a precept of the church which overrides God's law--such as that of the Sabbath. Accepting the command of the church to keep its day holy and ignoring the command of God to keep His day holy is placing the church authority above God and makes the church an object of idolatrous worship.

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