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The Xmas Thread: Discussions on secular/pagan practices

Loutzenhiser's picture

This thread is for the discussion of secular/pagan Xmas problems and thoughts. I used Xmas to differentiate this thread form the Christmas thread. To discuss the birth of Jesus please use the Christmas Thread.

JeffLogan's picture

Usually more than two sides

Usually more than two sides if you are speaking humanly. But I don't think God is confused.

For example, I once knew a woman who was in an illicit affair who prayed that the man would marry her. A very noble prayer, indeed. Well, the man did marry her but he first had to divorce his wife and leave his two children. Did God answer that prayer? She may think so. But does God do evil in order that he may do good?

And consider the case of Balaam. He prayed to God for permission to go with the princes to curse Israel in exchange for a handsome reward. The Lord had already said no but when Balaam pleaded God told him that if the princes came to call on him again he could go. But when they did not call on him but left to return home he chased after them. He wanted the reward so badly that he exercised the permission without the condition.

What I am saying is that it is never safe to follow the inclination of our hearts but that if we want to be true to God we must follow His instructions to the letter. Yes, to the letter but with a willing spirit to do exactly as God instructs us despite what we feel like doing. And when we choose to obey God's expressed will then He will help us.

But there is another who stands ready to help us disobey God and he so often leads us so close to the real thing that we cannot discern the error unless we are willing to obey God exactly. We cannot alter God's expressed will in any way and expect that we are honoring God. It just may be that we are deceived and are being subtly lead further and further away from God.

Eve was our first mother created in perfection who walked and talked with God. Yet she was deceived because she thought to parlay with the serpent. She entertained the idea that perhaps the serpent knew more or was more credible than God. She accepted the words of the serpent who added but one word to what God had said. God had said she would surely die but the serpent said, no, you shall NOT surely die. And so sin was introduced upon humanity.

What I am saying is that our only safe course is to hear and do the expressed will of God. We cannot be safe entertaining any novel ideas which men assure us are the very things God intended to tell us to do--as if God could fail to convey truth to us because, perhaps, He can't grasp the subtle nuances of our languages or perhaps doesn't understand how the human mind works. Ridiculous! No one, but no one, understands the end from the beginning more than God and no one, but no none, loves us more and has sacrificed more to save us.

It may sound like a beautiful prayer to offer God a decorated tree which you cut down in the forest and prop up with stakes. But wouldn't the safest thing to do be to follow in the things the Lord has instructed us to do?

No harm in it, you may say. Don't you think the serpent told Eve the same thing. 'Hey, look at me. I'm touching the fruit and eating it. Have I died? No, in fact, I am more enlightened by partaking of the fruit and now I can even talk. God doesn't want you to eat of the fruit because if you do then you will become like him, knowing good and evil, and he doesn't want that. He wants you to remain dependent on him. Come on, just touch it and you'll see. Trust me.'

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“The path of true piety is so plain as to require
but little political direction.” --George Washington,
re: absence of "Jesus Christ" in U.S. Constitution.

Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. -Proverbs 18:2 NIV