Fighting in wars

michael_legna's picture

drp,

I am starting this new thread in response to something you said in the Interpreting Scripture with Scripture thread.

I agree with all you say about the fact that to truly believe in Jesus we must obey His teachings, but I think we differ on some aspects of what those teachings are. That is why I cannot agree with the following:

drp said -
Back to your question about my point. In both World Wars and in other arenas (of which N. Ireland is only one), “believing Christians” assaulted each other with all sorts of weapons. They “believed”, but can we say they “followed”? They were firmly within an orthodoxy (Protestant or Catholic), but were they Christians in their behavior? (Mt 23:3)

I see no indication of any change on the part of the leaders of the various “Christian” nations. Do you? They still “believe”, but are they any better at “following”?

If not, where do we turn? Is it possible to find good, practical leadership in the bible? And just what must we do to “follow” Jesus?

Of course Jesus taught us to love one another, but love does not always involve peace.

That is why Paul tells us:

Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Sometimes in order to protect the weak or to stand up for truth and virtue one must resist evil.

Jesus Himself resisted evil when he drove the sellers out of the Temple (Lt 21, Lk 11).

I myself have made a personal decision never to take another life (because it removes that person's last chance to accept Christ as their savior) but I can certainly see defending myself and family and loved ones short of the point of force intending to cause death, and I can certainly see how others may not be led to that same decision through their understanding of Christ's teachings.

I guess I would ask you where the Scriptures teach in a consistent, unified method that we cannot go to war, fight and even kill to defend that which is right? What is the specific Scriptural basis for this, and how does it address all the scriptures which speak to the followers of God and Christ who did just that?

But of course this needs to be a separate thread so the moderator does not remove the posts as being off topic. :)

DRP, First, speaking of a

DRP,

First, speaking of a world to be does nothing to aid in dealing with the circumstances one may encounter in the world that is.

Now let's go back to the woman being drug into an alley scenario. Which is a real world scenario that is played out every day. What is the solution? Take action, or do nothing and permit the woman to be raped and murdered?

You would take away the only solution available and give no other in it's place. That's should never be considered acceptable, never be allowed.

Let's make it harder. Let's say the woman is not saved. Let's make it harder. Let's say it is your wife, or your mother, or your daughter.

What is the solution? Take action, or do nothing and permit the woman to be raped and murdered?

And no I would not have slit a Nazi's throat as his barber. I would never have been in that position. I would never have submitted to the Nazi's. Self preservation while thousands were being murdered would not be a concern.




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