Fighting in wars

michael_legna's picture

drp,

I am starting this new thread in response to something you said in the Interpreting Scripture with Scripture thread.

I agree with all you say about the fact that to truly believe in Jesus we must obey His teachings, but I think we differ on some aspects of what those teachings are. That is why I cannot agree with the following:

drp said -
Back to your question about my point. In both World Wars and in other arenas (of which N. Ireland is only one), “believing Christians” assaulted each other with all sorts of weapons. They “believed”, but can we say they “followed”? They were firmly within an orthodoxy (Protestant or Catholic), but were they Christians in their behavior? (Mt 23:3)

I see no indication of any change on the part of the leaders of the various “Christian” nations. Do you? They still “believe”, but are they any better at “following”?

If not, where do we turn? Is it possible to find good, practical leadership in the bible? And just what must we do to “follow” Jesus?

Of course Jesus taught us to love one another, but love does not always involve peace.

That is why Paul tells us:

Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Sometimes in order to protect the weak or to stand up for truth and virtue one must resist evil.

Jesus Himself resisted evil when he drove the sellers out of the Temple (Lt 21, Lk 11).

I myself have made a personal decision never to take another life (because it removes that person's last chance to accept Christ as their savior) but I can certainly see defending myself and family and loved ones short of the point of force intending to cause death, and I can certainly see how others may not be led to that same decision through their understanding of Christ's teachings.

I guess I would ask you where the Scriptures teach in a consistent, unified method that we cannot go to war, fight and even kill to defend that which is right? What is the specific Scriptural basis for this, and how does it address all the scriptures which speak to the followers of God and Christ who did just that?

But of course this needs to be a separate thread so the moderator does not remove the posts as being off topic. :)

DanFugett's picture

Reply to DNR posting WWII

DNR said "Horrible thought that no one should have stood against the holocaust."

Your words caught my attention as we Americans are talking quite a lot about the morality of war lately. I dont have all the answers to that and, like most people, think war should be a last resort. As the conflict in Iraq started and has unfolded, I found myself thinking of WWII when the US almost waited until it was too late to get involved directly, and only then when attacked directly. Other nations allowed the treaty that ended WWI to go unenforced, and Hitler able to rebuild a nation we had defeated once in the last century. We failed to learn a lesson from the past and repeated it, with more horror than before. Somtimes it takes more courage to walk away, and sometimes conscience demands we stand our ground and fight. Had we not become involved, who knows whether this conversation would even be one we would have been able to have. Sometimes a just war has a place and it would be immoral to do nothing.

Love in Christ,

Dan

2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. "

In Christ,

Dan Fugett, Sr Moderator
dfugett2010@gmail.com




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