Fighting in wars

michael_legna's picture

drp,

I am starting this new thread in response to something you said in the Interpreting Scripture with Scripture thread.

I agree with all you say about the fact that to truly believe in Jesus we must obey His teachings, but I think we differ on some aspects of what those teachings are. That is why I cannot agree with the following:

drp said -
Back to your question about my point. In both World Wars and in other arenas (of which N. Ireland is only one), “believing Christians” assaulted each other with all sorts of weapons. They “believed”, but can we say they “followed”? They were firmly within an orthodoxy (Protestant or Catholic), but were they Christians in their behavior? (Mt 23:3)

I see no indication of any change on the part of the leaders of the various “Christian” nations. Do you? They still “believe”, but are they any better at “following”?

If not, where do we turn? Is it possible to find good, practical leadership in the bible? And just what must we do to “follow” Jesus?

Of course Jesus taught us to love one another, but love does not always involve peace.

That is why Paul tells us:

Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Sometimes in order to protect the weak or to stand up for truth and virtue one must resist evil.

Jesus Himself resisted evil when he drove the sellers out of the Temple (Lt 21, Lk 11).

I myself have made a personal decision never to take another life (because it removes that person's last chance to accept Christ as their savior) but I can certainly see defending myself and family and loved ones short of the point of force intending to cause death, and I can certainly see how others may not be led to that same decision through their understanding of Christ's teachings.

I guess I would ask you where the Scriptures teach in a consistent, unified method that we cannot go to war, fight and even kill to defend that which is right? What is the specific Scriptural basis for this, and how does it address all the scriptures which speak to the followers of God and Christ who did just that?

But of course this needs to be a separate thread so the moderator does not remove the posts as being off topic. :)

Maria Smith's picture

Hi Doug- How could he be

Hi Doug-

How could he be secular if he is fighting in His name? The bible is full of armies fighting - God many a time helping out the cause in those times.

Today, so many wars and fights - most are secular. What about those fights in Ireland? Catholics and Protestants at each other.. what does it accomplish in His name? What of 911 and all for Allah?

Religious wars make no sense what so ever as far as I am concerned. Reason being is that God is Love and we are to love, period. However... war for protection is another thing. If you are protecting yours (your family, your country) this then, is a necessary fight. The holocaust and such attrocities of war, logically, I am not in agreement with, but the battle would be necessary.

Prayer is a means we all should always use to avoid wars. Sincere and ernest prayer can change a multitude of things. Just my two cents worth...

Yours in Christ
Maria

Yours in Christ,
Maria 玛丽亚
CCEL Hostess




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