Christians speaking to the dead

trueseek1's picture

Had never thought of it this way, until I found a book on the shelf expounding on one of the well known passages of the Holy Scriptures: The Transfiguration passage. Jesus has a live visit from Moses and Elijah and in the presence of the other fallible men, a couple of apostles, he enters into conversation with these two "dead saints". The author also highlighted another instance when God rose the dead and they went into the cities to show themselves as alive in Christ. I had read these passages many times before, and heard countless evangelical sermons on them, but in all my previous readings of the last couple of hundred years of evangelical commentaries, I had never heard of the reality that these visitations represented. Does anyone know how did the faithful early Church fathers who honored God, in the nonheretical Church, view these passages?

Also, the author differentiated clearly between using a medium to reach the dead as Saul did to talk to Samuel, and both these passages, with the understanding that Christ revealed clearly that it is not sinful to have a conversation with a live saint, but evil if one tries to use mediums as the ungodly do.

Thanks for all insights on these passages.

Mike Kirby's picture

prayer of faith

Michael said,

" and since the saints in heaven are surely righteous just think how effective their prayers are."

Mike says,

I think that reasoning is conjecture. It isn't demonstrated by any of the apostles or Jesus. There is no chance for us on terra firma to have "communion of the saints" that are in glory because they cannot communicate with us. That is reserved for the Holy Ghost.

Also, that teaching isn't universally believed by the Body of Christ, the Church of the Lord Jesus composed of redeemed christians.

Nevertheless ... some are "betting the ranch" on it being true so I would respectfully ask the question below ...

Hebrews 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

We all know how God loves faith and its demonstration therof.

Do the saints in heaven have a need for faith or a demonstration therof seeing as how they are already there?

What would please God more, I wonder?

a saint praying a prayer that required great faith
a saint that praying a prayer that required little or no faith.

When a saint on earth prays to a saint in glory,
is the faith exercised
1.towards the ability of the saint to hear the prayer?
2.for the ability of the saint to exercise their faith in God?

Too many variables for me to ponder.

Holiness isn't measured by the distance you keep from the world and it's ways ...
it's measured by your nearness to God"

"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard