Christians speaking to the dead

trueseek1's picture

Had never thought of it this way, until I found a book on the shelf expounding on one of the well known passages of the Holy Scriptures: The Transfiguration passage. Jesus has a live visit from Moses and Elijah and in the presence of the other fallible men, a couple of apostles, he enters into conversation with these two "dead saints". The author also highlighted another instance when God rose the dead and they went into the cities to show themselves as alive in Christ. I had read these passages many times before, and heard countless evangelical sermons on them, but in all my previous readings of the last couple of hundred years of evangelical commentaries, I had never heard of the reality that these visitations represented. Does anyone know how did the faithful early Church fathers who honored God, in the nonheretical Church, view these passages?

Also, the author differentiated clearly between using a medium to reach the dead as Saul did to talk to Samuel, and both these passages, with the understanding that Christ revealed clearly that it is not sinful to have a conversation with a live saint, but evil if one tries to use mediums as the ungodly do.

Thanks for all insights on these passages.

trueseek1's picture

Why not pray with the live saints in Christ's presence?

Since we all agree that the Scriptures revealed that Jesus spoke with the dead and there is a major difference between medium centered speaking with the dead and speaking with the "dead" like Christ our LORD did, why can we not ask the live saints who are now in Christ's presence to pray for us just as much as we can ask live saints in the body to pray for us here?

The Scriptures commend us to pray with one another and where two or more of us are gathered together, there is Christ in our midst, the same seems to apply to us if we are gathered together in prayer with a brother who is already glorified in Christ's presence, doesn't it?

If we are now in the presence of the holy angels and faithful witnesses/martyrs in Christ, why can we not also join them in prayer?

Appreciate your guidance on this one and wonder if any of the early church fathers ever condemn anyone for asking a saint to pray for them, as they fervently guarded the Church of God from all the other heretics?

humbly in His Service

humbly in Christ,
Anthony
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedheart/my_conversion_from_islam_to_orthodox_christianity_-_part_1




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