Failure of Churches, Whose Fault

Loutzenhiser's picture

This question has been circulating in my head for the last few days and seems to be a subject of prime interest among several members here, so I thought to start this thread to try to answer the question.

First let me be clear in that I do not believe that all churches or pastors are failing in thier resposibility to God. But I do see many churches and pastors failing or struggling in the winds of adversity that blow through the religious community today. WHY?

Let me set up our situation here. We live in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, west of Seattle on the Kitsap Peninsula. We are home to some of the richest and most technical businesses in the world, ie., Microsoft, Real Player, etc.. In this region the fastest growing religion is Wican. That is New Age witchcraft. In our area the highly praised kids are the Crystal and Indigo children. For more information on crystal children link here. Church attending christianity is some %6.5 of the population. The large churches here (average membership 600 to 5000) either teach christianity/hinduism or prosperity message. For example Casey Treat. On the small end we have several congergations that use sheperding such as the Apostolic Lighthouse. (I feel for the women in that church. TJ and I have "rescued" 3 of them from thier controlling/abusive husbands.) The fastest growing christian community in the area is the storefront pentecostal movment. Small churces of between 5 to 50 members. The problem here is the lack of umbrella or oversite allows for some "intersting" beliefs to flurish. The Church of God of Prophecy is the largest number of this group. Here one can find everything from Mary, Jesus' mother as the literial wife of God to "It is not your fault you are failing in life. You must remove the Demons that are controlling your circumstance". A little something for everyone. We even have large congeration with an excellent pastor who teaches that water baptism died out with the Apostles (extreme dispensationalism), Grace Bible Church.

Can one wonder that I am seeking for the tenets of the original church?

The highest category of failure among the mainstream pastors in this area is "the other woman" and the second is (and this shocked me) pastors who come to believe that they are Jesus or are a direct messenger of God (in other words their words have precedence over the bible). Latest victim to that one, one of our local Nazarene churches.

Now the question is what do we do about it and how can we go about purifying God's church. Or do we just start over again with a new movment? How about the Spiritual Cleanliness Movment? What basic tenets should God's church embrace? How do we keep the pastors and congergation pure and inline with God's word?

Marlyn's picture

Failure of Churches

Organized churches have failed because they were supposed to. This thread was started because it was supposed to. That simple statement is where it all must start - with the total sovereignty of G-d. If He is not sovereign in all, He is sovereign in nothing. The Word says Christ is all and in all, and it means just that. So simple. Yet humans, in their self-sovereignty, rebel against His perfect will in favor of their own. I don't really care if man has so-called "free will" or not. I don't want it! I am an ignorant child, and my Father is the One who knows best, and I trust Him. If one tries to withhold even a speck of themselves from G-d, they are none of His. It's all or nothing.

The early church knew this. To preach or believe Christ was a death sentence. Christians today want to be like the chicken and cow when it comes breakfast time. They will give OF themselves, but the pig is totally committed - he gives all. G-d is a jealous god and He wants all! All G-d all the time! lol

Some of these threads have talked about G-d hardening Pharoah's heart, and the cup in the bag of Joseph's brothers, and the spirit that G-d sent into the heart of King Saul, and the messenger of satan sent by G-d to buffet Paul. But what about our dear brother Cephas? It was not enough that each of the disciples said "Is it I, LORD?" when Yeshua said someone would betray Him. They each knew they were here for G-d's purpose and not their own. But poor Cephas was a little slow that night and actually argued with the One he knew as the Son of G-d about whether he would betray Him or not. If Cephas had a choice and could go through the night until the cock crew without denying Christ, then that would make our LORD and Savior a.......what? A liar? G-d forbid!

How can we say LORD, LORD and still rebel against Him being the LORD of every single little aspect of the life we've been given here? No wonder He said there would come a time when those would come to Him and say they had healed in His name and cast out demons and He would say "I never knew you." We are indeed unprofitable servants.

It is by grace alone we are saved. It is by grace alone that there is any good thing here. It is by grace alone that any can stand before their Creator. It has been said that no one can grow outside the fellowship of a structured denominational church group, but it was only after leaving the staid and weakly teachings in those church groups that G-d began giving grace to forget all the pre-conceived teachings that have been passed down through generations without anyone even having a clue where they originated. It was only then His sovereignty could be accepted by His great grace.

Because of the knowledge and faith of His sovereignty, this lowly vessel is considered a fanatic by the world and a heretic by the so-called church of today. Why? Because like Abraham, G-d has called some out of the secularism of today's church and set them apart (which is what holy means). We are only to be passing through this world. We are to use the world without abusing it. We are to look ahead to our true home which is G-d...all the while loving Him above every other thing, and our brothers and neighbors as ourselves. Now that takes grace!!! lol

I'm not saying churches should be abolished because they serve a purpose and they will stand or fall as G-d has written it before the foundation of the world. But there are those who have been called out as well, and all for His purpose alone. It's not about us; it's all about Him! All glory to G-d!

Marlyn Hills