Failure of Churches, Whose Fault

Loutzenhiser's picture

This question has been circulating in my head for the last few days and seems to be a subject of prime interest among several members here, so I thought to start this thread to try to answer the question.

First let me be clear in that I do not believe that all churches or pastors are failing in thier resposibility to God. But I do see many churches and pastors failing or struggling in the winds of adversity that blow through the religious community today. WHY?

Let me set up our situation here. We live in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, west of Seattle on the Kitsap Peninsula. We are home to some of the richest and most technical businesses in the world, ie., Microsoft, Real Player, etc.. In this region the fastest growing religion is Wican. That is New Age witchcraft. In our area the highly praised kids are the Crystal and Indigo children. For more information on crystal children link here. Church attending christianity is some %6.5 of the population. The large churches here (average membership 600 to 5000) either teach christianity/hinduism or prosperity message. For example Casey Treat. On the small end we have several congergations that use sheperding such as the Apostolic Lighthouse. (I feel for the women in that church. TJ and I have "rescued" 3 of them from thier controlling/abusive husbands.) The fastest growing christian community in the area is the storefront pentecostal movment. Small churces of between 5 to 50 members. The problem here is the lack of umbrella or oversite allows for some "intersting" beliefs to flurish. The Church of God of Prophecy is the largest number of this group. Here one can find everything from Mary, Jesus' mother as the literial wife of God to "It is not your fault you are failing in life. You must remove the Demons that are controlling your circumstance". A little something for everyone. We even have large congeration with an excellent pastor who teaches that water baptism died out with the Apostles (extreme dispensationalism), Grace Bible Church.

Can one wonder that I am seeking for the tenets of the original church?

The highest category of failure among the mainstream pastors in this area is "the other woman" and the second is (and this shocked me) pastors who come to believe that they are Jesus or are a direct messenger of God (in other words their words have precedence over the bible). Latest victim to that one, one of our local Nazarene churches.

Now the question is what do we do about it and how can we go about purifying God's church. Or do we just start over again with a new movment? How about the Spiritual Cleanliness Movment? What basic tenets should God's church embrace? How do we keep the pastors and congergation pure and inline with God's word?

Maria Smith's picture


There is no structure in the Church of God Prophecy. Everyone is doing a little of this and that. You will have a Babel of a different kind there. No one knows what the other is saying or who is leading who where.

I'm for organized religion. Every faith has bad leaders, my did and within such a large church, there are probably many. The Lord will weed out the bad soon enough.
That is what I feel that is happening in our Catholic faith. Same thing happen to the Mormons and the 7th Day Adventists and
I know one Baptist minister to have had a number of affairs (at least these were adults and not minors, although that is not any consolation to the congregation)

I feel that the Catholics get hit with the publicity alot harder than others due to the vow of celebicy. Ofcourse, this is one type of error in the church.

Calvin, Luther found what they felt were bad errors within the church and decided to leave and reform. The main difference here is that it was organized and structured and that is why these churches are still around.

You cannot have a mishmash of different ideas and beliefs because I feel it leaves too much of a window open for major error and for the devil to pop on in.

God will always protect what is His and that is what will continue to stand centuries after centuries. We all first must recognize and worship and love the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and then love each other for anything to last.

Yours in Christ,

Yours in Christ,
Maria 玛丽亚
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