God Created Adam Sin-ful

jeremiah1five's picture

Pretty bold statement. But before summarily discarding what I said I want to inform you that I have not read or studied this question from other resources. This is entirely my conclusions after looking at the Scripture and reasoning this out on my own (Isa. 1:18 ).
First, I agree that there is only One God, that there is none like Him, and He gives His glory to no one (1 Sam. 2:2). I also agree that God Himself is the standard by which everything and everyone is judged "against." I believe that there are no degrees of holiness, or righteousness, and even sin. One either has the Holy Spirit or they don't (Rom. 8:9). There is no such thing as half-pregnant.
I also accept the Biblical definition of sin is literally, "to miss the mark." What is the "mark?" The answer is the glory (and perfection) of God (Rom. 3:23). I also believe that God cannot reduplicate or transfer His glory to another without a Mediator. I believe that this realm we exist in of universe, matter, TIME and space, etc., was created by God in order to "mediate" His glory of holiness and righteousness, etc., into His elect man through His Son, Jesus Christ. I also understand the Doctrine of Imputation as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:21 is a nature-swap. Christ is imputed our sin-ful (missing the mark) nature, and we are imputed His righteous nature:

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I also believe that when God created the man from the dust of the ground that the image of God was the Son. What better image of a Father is there than a Son? I am assisted also in the knowledge and Scripture that we are being conformed into the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29), not the image of Adam. I believe God was looking at the new man, the hypostatic union, when He created the man from the dust of the ground. I also believe that Revelation 13:8 provides insight that before a righteous God can create an unrighteous being (man) that there was atonement made "from [before the foundation (creation) of the world."

The only way God can create an unrighteous (sin-ful) being was through atonement before He created heaven, earth, and man. Since God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself that the universe was created in order for Him to bring about His plan for man.

I believe.

rossaulles's picture

Life eternal basic ot the creation order.

Hi Jeff
It is indeed good to get some fed back on this fundamental issue. In full agreement the tree of life was blocked but it was blocked “post fall” This does not answer the question of Adam's created estate it only points out what was blocked. More questions are raised in terms of Rev 20 -22 . Resurrection from the dead into life eternal is not by eating of the tree of life. That the tree in someway sustains that life is clear thus bring forth it fruit in every month. Yeshua is the way of life to all who believe and the tree is secondary but not a cause. The scripture indicates that the first order of business is that the believer will enter eternal life (in actual not in part) at the appearing of the messiah. This is the fundamental hope of the Gospel.

The Hebrew verb in regard to “surely die” in Gen 2:17 is a two verbs i.e. die [to be] dying. “muth thmuth” the former is perfect the latter imperfect and a very powerful union of Hebrew verbs, used through out the Hebrew scripture. Leaving aside the verbs state, the perfect conjugation indicates the actual i.e. die viz: you WILL die and the imperfect is the continuity of the perfect “to be dying [continually]

It does not make good English to translate these viz: die to dying” or “subtle being subtle”
but it ventures the question. How could Adam fall to this state if he was already in it. The threat of death is moot. If Adam had life to have access to the tree for life then what life state is implied. Eternal life.

Warm regards