God Created Adam Sin-ful

jeremiah1five's picture

Pretty bold statement. But before summarily discarding what I said I want to inform you that I have not read or studied this question from other resources. This is entirely my conclusions after looking at the Scripture and reasoning this out on my own (Isa. 1:18 ).
First, I agree that there is only One God, that there is none like Him, and He gives His glory to no one (1 Sam. 2:2). I also agree that God Himself is the standard by which everything and everyone is judged "against." I believe that there are no degrees of holiness, or righteousness, and even sin. One either has the Holy Spirit or they don't (Rom. 8:9). There is no such thing as half-pregnant.
I also accept the Biblical definition of sin is literally, "to miss the mark." What is the "mark?" The answer is the glory (and perfection) of God (Rom. 3:23). I also believe that God cannot reduplicate or transfer His glory to another without a Mediator. I believe that this realm we exist in of universe, matter, TIME and space, etc., was created by God in order to "mediate" His glory of holiness and righteousness, etc., into His elect man through His Son, Jesus Christ. I also understand the Doctrine of Imputation as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:21 is a nature-swap. Christ is imputed our sin-ful (missing the mark) nature, and we are imputed His righteous nature:

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I also believe that when God created the man from the dust of the ground that the image of God was the Son. What better image of a Father is there than a Son? I am assisted also in the knowledge and Scripture that we are being conformed into the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29), not the image of Adam. I believe God was looking at the new man, the hypostatic union, when He created the man from the dust of the ground. I also believe that Revelation 13:8 provides insight that before a righteous God can create an unrighteous being (man) that there was atonement made "from [before the foundation (creation) of the world."

The only way God can create an unrighteous (sin-ful) being was through atonement before He created heaven, earth, and man. Since God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself that the universe was created in order for Him to bring about His plan for man.

I believe.

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God Created Adam Sinful?

Hello Oliver128. Hope you are well this day. Please grace me with your patience as I begin to learn how to use this/these forums. If I may...

Hello jeremiah1five, I haven’t figured out how to post quotes and remarks as separate entries either ~ so if you do kindly pass along the info ~ thanks in advance…

QUOTING OLIVER128: Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. [ESV]
Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. [ESV]

The man God created in His own image was a look forward to Christ (No, I am not JW. The creation would still be from the dust). If our conformity is to be made into the image of Christ, then Christ would have to be the image of God by which man was created. And my understanding of the word "good" is not morally good, but to "specification" or "good enough" (for His purpose). Also, Lucifer would also have fallen short of God's glory in his creation as well since there is only One God, there is none like Him, and He gives His glory to no one else. Both male and female in Christ is both Christ and Church if we are His body (two become one).

In the Christian ‘faith’ there are some things that are essential and must be agreed upon and are not negotiable ~ this topic I do not consider essential so we may agree to disagree and be at peace with each other. As far as I am concerned, God does everything to perfection, it is Satan and Man who mess His perfection up. Incidentally, ‘Lucifer’ is not a name for Satan ~ the same Latin word ‘lucifer’ is used as a reference to Christ in 2 Peter (in the Latin Vulgate).

QUOTING OLIVER128: Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God [ESV]
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. [ESV]

"Blameless [ESV]" or "perfect [KJV]," the word describes that which is "finished," "complete," or entire, and has nothing to do with morally good or godly. I do not agree that sin can come from holy as the last Adam, Jesus Christ, proved this.

As I read this I see that both Satan and Man were created without blame and therefore morally perfect or righteous ~ this is in contrast to having unrighteousness found in them at a later point in time. Being created blameless does not imply that they were created incorruptible but that they were created in an uncorrupted state or condition. This merely gives ‘free will’ a clean slate to work with and does not confer any permanency to that state of righteousness.

Our original state is not flesh as Adam was, but in the Mind of God when He first contemplated His elect. The only way God can see His Elect is holy, righteous, and spirit. I also believe that when all this is done (Millennium, etc.), that we will return into Trinity. If our names were written by God in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world, all God is doing in TIME is preparing a body to those names.

OK ~ you’ve lost me here ~ God created Mankind so as ‘we’ were able to procreate, that is ‘be fruitful and multiply’ ~ this suggests to me that Mankind was created in the same state as Mankind finds itself save for the effect of Adam’s ‘sin’ ~ as far as I can tell, the ‘flesh’ that was ‘indwelled’ by ‘all the fullness of Deity’ was the same sort of ‘flesh’ that we ourselves inhabit ~ for He was in every way like as we are – yet without sin.

Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"