God Created Adam Sin-ful

jeremiah1five's picture

Pretty bold statement. But before summarily discarding what I said I want to inform you that I have not read or studied this question from other resources. This is entirely my conclusions after looking at the Scripture and reasoning this out on my own (Isa. 1:18 ).
First, I agree that there is only One God, that there is none like Him, and He gives His glory to no one (1 Sam. 2:2). I also agree that God Himself is the standard by which everything and everyone is judged "against." I believe that there are no degrees of holiness, or righteousness, and even sin. One either has the Holy Spirit or they don't (Rom. 8:9). There is no such thing as half-pregnant.
I also accept the Biblical definition of sin is literally, "to miss the mark." What is the "mark?" The answer is the glory (and perfection) of God (Rom. 3:23). I also believe that God cannot reduplicate or transfer His glory to another without a Mediator. I believe that this realm we exist in of universe, matter, TIME and space, etc., was created by God in order to "mediate" His glory of holiness and righteousness, etc., into His elect man through His Son, Jesus Christ. I also understand the Doctrine of Imputation as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:21 is a nature-swap. Christ is imputed our sin-ful (missing the mark) nature, and we are imputed His righteous nature:

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I also believe that when God created the man from the dust of the ground that the image of God was the Son. What better image of a Father is there than a Son? I am assisted also in the knowledge and Scripture that we are being conformed into the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29), not the image of Adam. I believe God was looking at the new man, the hypostatic union, when He created the man from the dust of the ground. I also believe that Revelation 13:8 provides insight that before a righteous God can create an unrighteous being (man) that there was atonement made "from [before the foundation (creation) of the world."

The only way God can create an unrighteous (sin-ful) being was through atonement before He created heaven, earth, and man. Since God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself that the universe was created in order for Him to bring about His plan for man.

I believe.

Oliver128's picture

from glory to glory - cont

1 Cor 15:40-49 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. [ESV]

This passage speaks to the different degrees of ‘glory’ that we are progressing through and that ‘glory’ which will be our ultimate state ~ although speaking initially of the glory of the perishable natural body sown in physical death that is raised with the glory of the imperishable spiritual body in spiritual life ~ the spiritual does not precede the natural ~ while in the natural body we progress (thru sanctification) toward that glory of the ‘image of Christ’ that He left as an example for us to follow ~ but later, in the spiritual body of the resurrection we will be transformed from the perishable to the imperishable and possess the glory of the ‘image of Christ’ that He possesses in the heavenlies ~ 1 John 3:2 … and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him.

2 Cor 3:9-16 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. [ESV]

2 Cor 3:18 And we all, beholding the glory of the Lord with unveiled face, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. [ESV]

This passage speaks to the degrees of glory possessed by the ‘old’ and the ‘new’ covenants (ministries) ~ the ‘old’ possessed a glory but is has been far exceeded even surpassed by the glory of the ‘new’ ~ from the very out start of the ‘old’ its glory was diminishing as signified by Moses wearing a veil to cover his face from the view of the Israelites that diminishing glory ~ due to that veil their hearts are hardened and that same veil may only be removed by turning to the LORD ~ we, on the other hand, view the unveiled face of undiminished glory of the LORD and in viewing that glory we are being transformed into that same image from one degree of glory to another ~ from glory to glory…

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Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"




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