Reformed Theology: God's Grace

JeffLogan's picture

This discussion will be limited to the discussion of God's grace as it pertains to Reformed Theology.

Barry writes,

I would like to suggest that we explore the topic of "God's Grace " as it relates specifically to the process of one's coming to salvation. I personally am particularly interested in the doctrine of "Prevenient Grace", however, at ElderDad's suggestion which points out our primary forum theme, addressing the RT position termed "Irresistible Grace" first is the more appropriate approach.

So, if this approach is acceptable, I would invite someone to begin this thread by first defining the term, then giving a brief re-cap of the history of "TULIP", and concluding with Scriptural references supporting the concept. That should get us rolling.

Barring objections, I would encourage someone in the Reformed camp to please begin.

Grace and peace to all.

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(The first 3 headings are reserved for Reformed Theology Adherents ONLY)

Defining the terms (No opposing views here)
     Irresistible Grace
     Prevenient Grace
     etc...
Brief re-cap of the history of "TULIP" (No opposing views here)
     Early History
     Later History
     Unfolding History/Current Understanding
Scriptural references supporting the concept (No opposing views here)
     Irresistible Grace
     Prevenient Grace
     etc...
1st Discussion: Irresistible Grace
2nd Discussion: Prevenient Grace
3rd Discussion: etc...

bwarddvm's picture

Looking for 'Arminianish' Support

Thus far we have had a thorough rebuttal of the Calvinist position on an irresistible saving grace give by God to only His elect. As no one has yet come forth to offer a positive factual basis of support for the a position for the view(s) opposing Cavlinist soteriology, may I be allowed to prompt that discussion with a brief list of questions that I believe are foundational?.

I would like to make a request of you folks out there who embrace a soteriology (we don't necessarily have to use the label "Arminian") that believes that God gives to all men equally a type of grace that is sufficient for them, even in their fallen state, to still accept the gospel or reject it according to their own free will.

(1) Would you please show your Scriptural support for that position?

(2) Would you explain how you understand the condition "dead" in Ephesians 2:1 "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins" and also in Colossians 2:13 "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses" ?

(3) If one is spiritually dead, how can he come to spiritual life so that he becomes able to exercise saving faith?
Obviously one who is spiritually dead cannot possibly have an ability that takes a spark of spiritual life to possess that ability. That spark of life is termed spiritual "rebirth" or "regeneration" or being "born again". If that is the universal result of prevenient grace, then are we to understand that all men are regenerate but only some choose to repent in faith and accept the gospel?

If I (and perhaps others) can understand you position on these questions then not only where you are coming from in your reasoning, but I will also have a foundation from which to ask other questions.

Thank you all for your sincere participation in our dialogue.

Grace and peace

Barry




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