An Arminian Error from Rome

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Dan Fugett, Sr Moderator

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A new Arminian error appeared in teaching of Roman Catholic Church, claiming that jews as a people are not responsible for death of Christ. According to the present bishop of Rome:

“When in Matthew’s account the “whole people” say: “His blood be on us and on our children” (27:25), the Christian will remember that Jesus’ blood speaks a different language from the blood of Abel (Heb 12:24): it does not cry out for vengeance and punishment; it brings reconciliation. These words are not a curse, but rather redemption, salvation. It is not poured out against anyone, it is poured out for many, for all”.

It is important to remember that Jesus’ blood is “speaking better things than that of Abel” (Hebrews 12:24). This signifies that for penitent jewish sinners, who accept Lord Jesus Christ as their King and Savior and are baptized in Jesus Christ, the water of baptism removes guilt associated with their transgressions, and blood of Christ that is on them becomes blood of Christ shed for them if Lord God Jehovah draws them to Lord Jesus Christ and Lord Jesus Christ accepts them into his Church. For unrepentant jewish sinners, who refuse to acknowledge Lord Jesus Christ as their King and Savior and refuse to be baptized, Jesus’ blood is the blood of accusation and curse, crying from the land for vengeance and punishment, as it is written in Genesis 9:6-7:

“And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”

This commandment is given by Lord God Jehovah to Noah, and through him to every descendant of Noah, being part of the renewal of dominion covenant after the flood. Lord Jesus Christ is both Son of God and Son of Man. Thus for only those penitent jewish sinners, who accept Lord Jesus Christ as their King and Savior and are baptized in Jesus Christ, the precious blood of Christ becomes the blood of reconciliation, whom Lord God Jehovah, Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit elected to salvation before creation of the world.

It is furthermore important to remember what Apostle Matthew has written: “Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children” (Matthew 27:25).

Here the whole people denotes the whole jewish people and their descendants, specifically represented by the Levitical priesthood who represented Lord God Jehovah to Israel before the accession of Lord Jesus Christ, King and High Priest of Israel, who condemned Him to death on the basis of Roman law rather than Mosaic law. It was jewish high priest Caiphas who “gave counsel to the Jews that it was expedient that one man should die for the people” (John 18:14). [When] “Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar” (John 19:15). Pharisees (rabbis) “took council how they might entangle him in his task” (Matthew 22:15), as it is written “then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council” (John 11:47), “then from that day forth they took counsel together to put him [Jesus Christ] to death.” (John 11:53).

Furthermore, the whole jewish people was represented by the jewish democratic mob, the congregation of the jewish people, who cried before pontius pilate “away with him, away with him, crucify him” (John 19:15), who asked to release barrabas the rioter and not their King Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 27:21). As it is written, [when] [pontius] “pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified” (Matthew 27:22) “and the governor [pontius pilate] said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified” (Matthew 27:23)

The present bishop of Rome also wrote:

“Now we must ask: Who exactly were Jesus’ accusers? Who insisted that he be condemned to death? We must take note of the different answers that the Gospels give to this question. According to John it was simply “the Jews”. But John’s use of this expression does not in any way indicate — as the modern reader might suppose — the people of Israel in general, even less is it “racist” in character. After all, John himself was ethnically a Jew, as were Jesus and all his followers. The entire early Christian community was made up of Jews. In John’s Gospel this word has a precise and clearly defined meaning: he is referring to the Temple aristocracy. So the circle of accusers who instigate Jesus’ death is precisely indicated in the Fourth Gospel and clearly limited: it is the Temple aristocracy — and not without certain exceptions, as the reference to Nicodemus (7:50-52) shows”.

First it is necessary to remember that “jews” to whom the bishop of Rome referred are members of Christian church, in fact true Israelites, new creatures, sons of God (sheep, elect angels and perfect men who will be transfigured when Lord Jesus Christ returns to earth), as it is written, “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” (2 Corinthians 5:17). Thus the crucifixion of Lord Jesus Christ signified the definitive division of the jews through which unrighteous unrepentant jews of serpentine transgressing stock will be thrown out, as it is written, “And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:11-12).

Furthermore, the jewish aristocracy i.e Herod and his princes, bear lesser guilt for the crucifixion of Lord Jesus Christ, as it is written:

“And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.
Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.
And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate”. (Luke 23:8-11)

Summarizing, the whole jewish people and their descendants are guilty of deicide (murder of Son of God and Son of Man) Lord Jesus Christ, their King and High Priest, and only for those penitent jewish sinners, who accept Lord Jesus Christ as their King and Savior and are baptized in Jesus Christ, the precious blood of Christ becomes the blood of reconciliation, whom Lord God Jehovah, Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit elected to salvation before creation of the world.

This new Arminian error from Rome once again proves erroneous the Roman claim that a bishop of Rome does not err in questions of faith, which is an unjustified transfer of an attribute solely pertaining to the Faithful Word Lord Jesus Christ to a man. To repeat, errare humanum est.

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