29. Manes said:
Is not that word also to the same effect which Jesus spake to the
disciples, when He was demonstrating those men to be unbelieving:
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye
will do?”17061706 By this
He means, in sooth, that whatever the 202wicked prince of this world desired, and
whatever he lusted after, he committed to writing through Moses, and by
that medium gave it to men for their doing. For “he was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there
is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his
own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”17071707
Archelaus said: Are you satisfied17081708 with what you have already adduced, or
have you other statements still to make? Manes said:
I have, indeed, many things to say, and things of greater weight even
than these. But with these I shall content myself.
Archelaus said: By all means. Now let us select some
instance from among those statements which you allege to be on your
side; so that if these be once found to have been properly dealt with,
other questions may also be held to rank with them; and if the case
goes otherwise, I shall come under the condemnation of the judges, that
is to say, I shall have to bear the shame of defeat.17091709 You say, then, that the law is a
ministration of death, and you admit that “death, the prince of
this world, reigned from Adam even to Moses;”17101710 for the word of Scripture is this:
“even over them that did not sin.”17111711 Manes said: Without
doubt death did reign thus, for there is a duality, and these two
antagonistic powers were nothing else than both unbegotten.17121712
Archelaus said: Tell me this then,—how can an
unbegotten death take a beginning at a certain time? For
“from Adam” is the word of Scripture, and not “before
Adam.” Manes said: But tell me, I ask you in
turn, how it obtained its kingdom over both the righteous and the
sinful. Archelaus said: When you have first admitted
that it has had that kingdom from a determinate time and not from
eternity, I shall tell you that. Manes said: It is
written, that “death reigned from Adam to Moses.”
Archelaus said: And consequently it has an end, because it
has had a beginning in time.17131713 And this saying is also true, that
“death is swallowed up in victory.”17141714 It is apparent, then, that death
cannot be unbegotten, seeing that it is shown to have both a beginning
and an end. Manes said: But in that way it would
also follow that God was its maker. Archelaus said:
By no means; away with such a supposition! “For God made
not death; neither hath He pleasure in the destruction of the
living.”17151715 Manes
said: God made it not; nevertheless it was made, as you
admit. Tell us, therefore, from whom it received its empire, or
by whom it was created. Archelaus said: If I give
the most ample proof of the fact that death cannot have the substance
of an unbegotten nature, will you not confess that there is but one
God, and that an unbegotten God? Manes said:
Continue your discourse, for your aim is to speak17161716 with subtlety. Archelaus
said: Nay, but you have put forward those allegations in such
a manner, as if they were to serve you for a demonstration of an
unbegotten root. Nevertheless the positions which we have
discussed above may suffice us, for by these we have shown most fully
that it is impossible for the substances of two unbegotten natures to
exist together.